Roninscg vs Earthmichael

[roninscg]

I am having a problem transferring unit control in my game.  I am trying to transfer a unit from Morgan to Free Drones, I have the unit sitting in a Free Drones city, and I type

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[Ctrl][Shift][U] , which I have done in many prior games, which should transfer control.  But I am getting a message that I must move the unit to a friendly faction territory before transferring control, which indicates to me that the game does not recognize that the Free Drones is a friendly faction with respect to Morgan.

Can someone take a look at this and debug it please?  I will PM the file password to whoever can debug this.  Just let me know to send you the password.

I cannot continue the game without transferring control of some units to Free Drones, so we need to debug this problem.

I am playing with the Yitzi patch.

Here is the save.  The active Morgan unit in Free Drones city is the one that I want to transfer control.  Thanks to anyone who can help!

I also have a problem, I've noticed in the previous turns and I think that can not be solved now, I think that the problem dates back to the creation of the game.

I might eventually try with a different patch, and see maybe it solve the problem,  but not believe, there is the same error when we played with Scient patch

[roninscg]

I don't think ANYTHING can be safely posted right now.

I agre with you,  I'm sorry guys for now nothing, no hard feelings.

I think that all probe team attempted actions (whether successful for not)  except infiltration is brought to the attention of the faction receiving the probe team actions, so that they can determine what diplomatic consequences to impose.

I am not aware of any action except infiltration where you do not need to make the other faction aware (due to the fact that the dialog message about the probe team action occurs in the wrong player's turn, at the probing players turn instead of the player being probed turn.)  Only infiltration can you keep quiet about it.  This is my understanding, anyway.  Do you have a different understanding of MP probing rules?

We text here about proba time action only that i.e like this - probe team action + name of city. Is that ok for you?

I presume you were inquiring as to my personal health rather than how my game is holding.  I am hanging in there.  I had two attacks yesterday, with the accompanying pain and vomiting, but I have had no attacks today.  Since Mayo clinic seems to be out, I got an appointment Atilla Etran, who is a top GI doctor in Houston for August 30.  This still seems a ways out, but I had to get my current GI doctor to intervene to get to see him before September 20.  Hopefully, he will have some insight into my situation.

My insurance company still is holding out on approval for capsule endoscopy, which is the test I really need to have run.  I am applying pressure through my doctor and corporate HR department to get insurance approved.

I am on pain killing patches for continual pain control, and Dilaudid pills for extreme pain control (the catch-22 here is unless I take them early enough, the nausea prevents the Dilaudid from being effective, because I throw it up before it gets a change to digest.)

If all else fails, I go to the hospital and have everything administered through IV.  And all else has failed more often than it has worked, sad to say, so I have made a lot of hospital visits in the last two months.  I really need a suppository version of Dilaudid and Zofran.

I don't mean to be such a downer.  Our game is often the highlight of my day!

Hope you will get Endoscopy approvedas soon as possible, Have you been on MRI for abdomen and torso ?

[Earthmichael]

I think city and type of action and results for probe team action.   In a single player game, I am notified exactly which technology is stolen or how many credits are pilfered; the message may also indicate a successful or unsuccessful attempt to frame another faction.  (Actually a successful attempt to frame makes it look in every way like the other faction was responsible.)

I have had multiple MRIs and CAT scans, with and without various kinds of contrast.  I have also had ultrasounds in various regions.  I have also had an endoscopy, and colonoscopy, which really only leaves the small intestine unexamined, which is what a capsule endoscopy would reveal.  So there is really nothing else to be done but the capsule endoscopy!

[roninscg]

I think city and type of action and results for probe team action.   In a single player game, I am notified exactly which technology is stolen or how many credits are pilfered; the message may also indicate a successful or unsuccessful attempt to frame another faction.  (Actually a successful attempt to frame makes it look in every way like the other faction was responsible.)

Ok, I agree :-) for me that is ok

[roninscg]

Can someone help to solve problem transfer control of units?

[Earthmichael]

Yes, please help here if you can!   We are stuck!   This is the first time I have ever run into a problem with transferring unit control.  I do this in nearly every game I play!

[Earthmichael]

Can a modder look at our starting files and see if the alliances have some sort of bug in the set up?

I suspect the problem is somehow in the setup, The Free Drones is not considered to be in an alliance with Morgan.  So when Morgan tried to turn over a unit, it failed.

The other thing I found weird about this scenario is the incredible number of sidetracks.

Morgan was sidetracked with Centuari Empathy and Centauri Meditation before I could finally research D:AP.

AKI was given a huge number of sidetracks before be able to research D:AP.  These included Polymorphic Software, Advanced Subatomic Theory, Optical Computers, Superconductor, and Adaptive Doctrine, so far.

The Free Drones was sidetracked with Progenitor Psych and some related sidetracks after obtaining D:M and Synthetic Fossil Fuel.  The Free Drones are still stuck on these sidetracks.

I think in a future game, I am going to take the prediction spreadsheet, and the starting slot numbers of all of the factions, and work out the minimum necessary sidetracks in advance.  Because I think if I look some particular sidetracks at certain points, I would have not had nearly the total level of sidetracking. And there are certain sidetracks, such as Progenitor Psych, that I want to defer as long as possible, because I do not need any of these techs branching from this tree.  (Yes, there is one good secret project I give up, but I am willing to pay the price.)

As it is, when Roninscg built the Planetary Energy Grid secret project, I was happy, because it meant he has also sidetracked at least by Progenitor Psych and Adaptive Economics.  But then I learned my other sidetracks still made it so that he was able to research MMI before I even was permitted to research D:AP.  At least, as soon as Morgan learned D:AP, he was immediately given the ability to learn MMI.

Alternatively, I would like a mod that eliminates sidetracks by allowing any faction to research any technology where the prerequisites has been met.  Because I don't really like the idea of wasting my time with a predictive spreadsheet just so that I can pick which sidetracks are going to hurt me less in the long run.  I would rather just pick whatever tech I want, and just research it without any restrictions other than the prerequisites.

[Buster's Uncle]

PM Yitzi?  Maybe ete?

[ete]

Not a programmer, so I won't be able to fix an actual bug but I can take a look at your save and see if I can figure out some way to get around the problem.

And yea, a way to avoid sidetracks sounds pretty good, though as I understand it that needs UI which which is extremely difficult.

[roninscg]

If there is no solution,
You want to keep the game alive or to start a new?

For me is ok to continue with this game, we both have the same handicaps (sidetracks, turn over unit failure.....)
but of course if you think we need to start a new thats also ok for me 


What is your opinion?

[Buster's Uncle]

Appears the save in question is here: http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2838.0;attach=5774

[Earthmichael]

I honestly am not sure how to proceed if we cannot turn over unit control.  The main issue here is Passivism.  Without turning over unit control, every unit I move to reinforce the Free Drone Position causes me a 2 drone penalty.

If you also suffer from the same penalty, then I guess it still is balanced.  Still, one would hope that we could find a solution to this problem, so we could continue the game normally.

It seems it is just a matter of getting the game to understand that the other faction is an ally, and that it should accept turning the unit over to the ally.  I have never had this problem before.  Hopefully, the fix should be straightforward to someone who is familiar with setting up and/or modding games.  Hopefully!

T_ras, what do you think?

I am not that concerned about the sidetrack and tech for this game.  This is water under the bridge.  But it would be nice to address in a new game.

For that matter, I am fine with starting a new game provided we make sure that we start with Yitzi's patch, and maybe Yitzi could be asked to patch tech sidetracking?  I am not sure what else that might be useful other than the Ecodamage/water rising stuff.  We should take a detailed look at Yitzi's patch to see what can be customized.

[t_ras]

Im looking into the issue.

[roninscg]

Thank, t_ras

You are our savior

[Buster's Uncle]

He believes the savior is yet to come.

I hope the savior hurries up...