Dragon Ball / heroic adventure fiction / comics

[Buster's Uncle]

Ahhh.  The code was harder on the undead more than anything I recall - which doesn't really make sense, as a vampire is an even better natural villain than a Nazi.  This was the McCarthy era, remember, and there was just something in the air...

[Vishniac]

Are you REALLY asking?  Humor translates with difficulty, so it may not have made it to Europe...

It was purely a mark of disdain.

I have never read Deadpool, it came after I bought everything Marvel. Since then I bought old titles related to what I like and focus on new ones with a few chosen characters. I probably fell on 1 or 2 episodes but it didn't impress me. 4th wall talking is not to my liking and She-Hulk by Byrne that so many encense I found awful. (If you ask why I read her then, that's because we had magazines with 3-4 different series inside. One would be Daredevil + Iron Man + 2xSpiderman, another FF + She-Hulk + Silver Surfer, ...)

The trailer of the movie left me cold and hearing people talk about the movie made me sure I wouldn't waste time for it or the next one going out these days. Too much crap humor full-time! Not that it's exclusive to Deadpool: Gardians of the Galaxy was acceptable, Gardians 2 was really bad (poor jokes all along the movie, repeated 2-3 times. It gets old very fast) and Thor Ragnarok I just decided I wouldn't pay and will watch it on netflix one day with friends. That constant forced humor is hurting this franchise. Making Thor some buffoon I wouldn't stand.
Let's hope the sobriety of Black Panther (a few funny quotes and that's it) and Thanos putting some heroes to rest in peace will convince Kevin Feige he can burst the box-office with adult movies.

So, no. No Deadpool for me.

[Buster's Uncle]

Me neither.   I've only seen the first Iron Man and the first Avengers, (and first X-Men and first Spider-Man and first Fantastic Four - and lastly and ironically, X-Men: First Class, which was my favorite of the highly-meh Fox movies) if anyone wants to get into talking about the MCU stuff.

Superman: The Movie not only is still in the first rank of comic book movies, but despite considerable flaws (old and pretty 70s, somehow, weak Lois, weak Lex, the Can You Read My Mind flying sequence was and always will be painful to sit through, the time-backup didn't make sense as shown) I will fight on the hill -and win- of saying it may still be in first place.

[Syn]

RE: Thor Ragnarok, it is a very good movie. Thor was the perfect choice in the MCU for that kind of humour.

That being said, I don't read comics and dislike them in general. My exposure to the Marvel characters is restricted to the movie screen. I thought Thor in Ragnarok was great, based on the Thor in the MCU. Perhaps it's awful when using comic Thor as the foundation.

[ColdWizard]

I tried to watch Deadpool again the other day but couldn't get through it. I enjoyed it quite a bit in the theater, a friend had doubted if the jokes/references etc would hold up over time. Apparently she was right.

Thor: Ragnarok was the only MCU film I intentionally skipped. The trailers were off-putting for me.

[Unorthodox]

RE: Thor Ragnarok, it is a very good movie. Thor was the perfect choice in the MCU for that kind of humour.

That being said, I don't read comics and dislike them in general. My exposure to the Marvel characters is restricted to the movie screen. I thought Thor in Ragnarok was great, based on the Thor in the MCU. Perhaps it's awful when using comic Thor as the foundation.

I'll second Thor: Ragnarok as enjoyable.  Not quite as good as the first guardians, but nowhere near as bad as the trailers made it look.

Caveat, I didn't care for comic book Thor, or MCU Thor prior to Ragnarok.  The switch in tone WORKS. 

That's not to say they didn't suffer some casualties as a result of that switch.  Loki is relegated to a punch line, and they more or less blew up the lore behind Thor.  He just FINALLY doesn't come off as an ass. 

BU:  Go watch WW.  I know many super geeky comic guys who have held that superman as the best origin story, if not comic book movie as #1, and they've all come away from WW as it either being the new #1, or a close #2. 

It wasn't all that to me to be honest.  Good movie, but I was never invested. 


Deadpool:  Eh. 

Probably out of order, but rough rating IMO:

Iron Man 1   
Captain America 1 
Iron Man 2 
Captain america 2 
Thor 1 
Thor 2 
Avengers 1 
Guardians: 
Ant Man 
Iron Man 3 
Captain America 3 
Avengers 2  (ruin a good villain with a great voice...)
Guardians 2   
Dr Strange 
Thor 3 


Oh, and that aint SPIDER MAN.  WTF? 

[Buster's Uncle]

Gail Godot does not make my eyes hurt - and the worst thing I've heard about the movie is a well-reasoned argument that Kaiser Bill was no Hitler, and putting her in WWI was unjustified taking-of-sides in an actual moral swamp, wrong for a paragon character.

It's one I do intend to see when the opportunity strikes.



Edit: Correction.  I heard Hippolyta, WW's mom, was a character, and I also STR that Linda Carter had a tiny cameo, yet doesn't seem to have played Hippolyta.  Yo, LC looks like an immortal Amazon even yet, and THAT'S the worst thing I've heard about the movie, if so.

[Syn]

Ooo, rankings. My weakness.

Iron Man 1
Captain America 1
Iron Man 2
Captain America 2
Thor 1 :meh:
Thor 2 :meh:
Avengers 1
Guardians 1
Ant Man :meh:
Iron Man 3
Captain America 3
Avengers 2 :meh:
Guardians 2
Doctor Strange
Spiderman
Thor 3

[ColdWizard]

Iron Man 1 
Captain America 1 
Iron Man 2 
Captain America 2 
Thor 1 
Thor 2 
Avengers 1 
Guardians 1 
Ant Man 
Iron Man 3 
Captain America 3 
Avengers 2 
Guardians 2 
Doctor Strange  (upgraded to  after further viewings)
Spiderman [I forgot to go watch this]
Thor 3 [Chose to skip, later watched on netflix] 
Black Panther 

[Buster's Uncle]

HATED Batman, BTW.  -And not the usual Keaton-hating angle, either.  I think Tim Burton is utter crap when he's not doing his 'spider-web cute' stuff, as I call it, that his heart's obviously in, usually starring teh Depp.

I didn't even hate Batman and Robin as much, and it wasn't even competent as a movie, other than on some camp appreciation level.  Haven't seen the last couple, but deem none of them I have very good Batman movies, at all, (though the second with Michelle Pfeiffer had it's moments - ones that she was in)...

Batman (66?) w/ Adam West is --- another matter.  It succeeded utterly in being the kind of movie they intended to make, for good or ill.


  -Any interest in Burton's 'spider-web cute' oeuvre, Uno?

[Unorthodox]

Gail Godot does not make my eyes hurt - and the worst thing I've heard about the movie is a well-reasoned argument that Kaiser Bill was no Hitler, and putting her in WWI was unjustified taking-of-sides in an actual moral swamp, wrong for a paragon character.

It's one I do intend to see when the opportunity strikes.

Edit: Correction.  I heard Hippolyta, WW's mom, was a character, and I also STR that Linda Carter had a tiny cameo, yet doesn't seem to have played Hippolyta.  Yo, LC looks like an immortal Amazon even yet, and THAT'S the worst thing I've heard about the movie, if so.

I liked the WWI version better than the WWII stories with her I've read/seen, though ultimately, I think that was a financial decision.   

[Buster's Uncle]

Linda Carter was the only possible Hippolyta!

[Unorthodox]

  -Any interest in Burton's 'spider-web cute' oeuvre, Uno?

I'm not entirely sure what you're referring to, to be honest. 

Burton makes a bunch of crap with the occasional gem, much like Hollywood, but they don't have to be the creepy side. In fact many of those he makes suck. 

Beetlejuice and Edward Scissorhands are up there among his best, but so is Big Fish. 

And Corpse Bride and Frankenweenie (animated) just proved that Nightmare Before Christmas was only good because he stayed the hell out of it despite getting the name on the title. 

I will say, I would have loved to have seen what he did with Maleficent over what we got... 

[Unorthodox]

Linda Carter was the only possible Hippolyta!

I typically frown on fan service. 

[Buster's Uncle]

[ninja'd] Oh, artistically, it's a whorish mistake to have people from the TV show being adapted do cameos at all, and impractical of craft, besides.  You can't afford time for wall-breaking elements in a finite single feature film.  -Carter, however, is almost 70, looks in her 50s, and is tall, still beautiful, and just right for the part, fan service aside.

All the Burton movies you mention, save Big Fish which I haven't seen, are spider-web cute examples.  It's a metaphor.



WW Digression: When the show was moved to CBS and present time, few of you are both old and American enough to have seen/remember the pre-debut station break promo commercial where the announcer patter casually dropped in "Never to show him love, lest the ancient spell be broken" in the middle, and then that was never on the show.

Whether that was just network PR flack bumper invention, or a line got cut from the finished show - hey, this I deem an excellent addition.  Wonder Woman, you know, had no father until sometime in the last ten years in the comics; traditionally, Hippolyta had made a clay statue of a roughly year-old toddler girl, and the gods smiled on it and brought it to life.  Never mentioned on TV, but she's a golem, Uno.

And the commercial's line slides right into her premise nicely, and slaps down the eternal problem of her unused ladyparts and she-ought-to-be-gay, to put in there that the magic that animates her and empowers her requires virginity (and since she's not actually human, depending on how strong the magic that made her was, arguable, she likely has sex urges rather muted -not absent- as part of the spell that made her live...)

-And back to the immortal business -golem and magic handwaves aside- the second season of the show, contemporary-set CBS version, had Steve Trevor's look-alike son, Steve, quickly end up unconscious on a floor on Paradise Island in 1980; atop the stairs appears Dianna, in an amazon nightgown -looking as hot as she ever looked, BTW, in that nightgown- quietly says "Steve!" in surprise -nobody said immortal, but they didn't have to; she's magic- and off into the inferior CBS seasons, seamlessly transitioned to the present, they went. -Ignoring the sqickey subtext of that setup completely; her and the real Steve had never done more than smilingly-admire each other, after all...