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Offline Dale

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1635 on: July 14, 2016, 04:56:25 AM »
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She breached the Federal Records Act by not routing emails through Govt servers, and deleting 31,000 emails before handing the remaining emails over to the FBI.

That's breaking the law wouldn't you say?
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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1636 on: July 14, 2016, 05:03:18 AM »
It's a fake scandal, Dale.  Fake.  Made up out of trivia.  They're so busy making mountains out of molehills when it come to the scumbag Clintons that nobody listens when the Clintons are actually guilty of something important.

See also everything Uno -who knows a little something about gubmint security professionally- already had to say on the subject.  In this thread.  Recently.  All your nonsense has already been covered.  It's made up out of clerks and gubmint types suck at computers and your laws were there at the time.

AND WILL YOU PEOPLE PLEASE STOP MAKING ME DEFEND THAT WOMAN?

Offline Rusty Edge

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1637 on: July 14, 2016, 06:18:20 AM »
Gleanings-

Jeb Bush is following in Romney's footsteps, saying he'll be deeply sad if Hillary wins, and worried if [Sleezebag] does. He flat out cannot vote for either of them, and made a point of bringing up Johnson as a third option, and says he's considering it.

The Real George Bush, ever the public servant, took the job of rebuilding the GOP after Watergate. It must be terribly tragic for he and Jeb to watch [Sleezebag] destroy the party.

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[Sleezebag] is trying to create buzz about his VP choice, due to be announced Friday. He says it's down to two in his mind, but his inner circle of family and advisors are split. So they are still talking about Pence, Gingrich, Christie, mostly. Some say he may chose a surprise to create more attention.

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"A national Morning Consult survey conducted July 8-10 has Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton narrowly leading her Republican counterpart Donald [Sleezebag] 39 percent to 37 percent, within the survey’s margin of error of 2 percent.

Johnson, meanwhile, receives 12 percent, up from 10 percent in mid-June. Thirteen percent don’t know or have no opinion. "

This is the odd poll from before. That survey from their home page sends me an e-mail once a week asking for consumer info, which I ain't about to share. I made the mistake of doing that once, and eventually dropped that e-mail account on account of spam. While it's an outlier, the trends seem to follow the other polls.

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I can't even remember most of the stuff I've read about Hillary of late . She was interviewing an Admiral for VP to counter [Sleezebag]'s General.

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Offline Dale

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1638 on: July 14, 2016, 11:30:00 AM »
It's a fake scandal, Dale.  Fake.  Made up out of trivia.  They're so busy making mountains out of molehills when it come to the scumbag Clintons that nobody listens when the Clintons are actually guilty of something important.

See also everything Uno -who knows a little something about gubmint security professionally- already had to say on the subject.  In this thread.  Recently.  All your nonsense has already been covered.  It's made up out of clerks and gubmint types suck at computers and your laws were there at the time.

AND WILL YOU PEOPLE PLEASE STOP MAKING ME DEFEND THAT WOMAN?

So are you saying she didn't break the law?
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Offline Spacy

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1639 on: July 14, 2016, 01:21:41 PM »
So are you saying she didn't break the law?

Unfortunately, no.

The laws were different (guidelines) that said that she shouldn't use a private server, not that she couldn't.  It is the loose way the rules were written at the time she did it that said she didn't break the law.  If she were to do it today, it would be against the law.

The deletion of the emails there is no proof that she deleted them.  Could have been a secretary, spam filter, etc.  At least, that is the defense, and as weak as it sounds it is strong enough to cause reasonable doubt.

Personally, I think she knew exactly what was going on, that she intentionally pushed the limits, and that she did it all for personal gain reasons.  I don't trust the lady at all.  I wouldn't be surprised if emails from her server get published by Putin in a couple of years, or the Chinese, as I am sure that these private servers (there were several, not just hers) were probably all hacked. 
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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1640 on: July 14, 2016, 02:24:25 PM »
Most of ^this^, and GodKing is even less of a HilFan than I am.

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1641 on: July 14, 2016, 04:50:22 PM »

So are you saying she didn't break the law?


NO SHE DIDN'T. 

The laws were different (guidelines) that said that she shouldn't use a private server, not that she couldn't.  It is the loose way the rules were written at the time she did it that said she didn't break the law.


NO, THE LAW SAID SHE HAD TO KEEP COPIES OF THE EMAILS.  While it's against overall government policy, it WAS, and STILL IS the practice of the state department to conduct business via non-encrypted and private means. 


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If she were to do it today, it would be against the law.


NO IT WOULDN'T!

Why in the hell does everyone still believe that? 

Don't believe me?  Why would senate be bothering trying to make it illegal then? 

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/private-email-ban-state-senate-bill-225478

THIS IS ABOUT THE TRANSFER OF FOREIGN INFORMATION, which is by the book classified. 

So, tell me.  How is a diplomat supposed to have timely conversations with foreign dignitaries (thereby creating foreign information) if they have to jump through the hoops to clear and procure encrypted channels first (I have it on decent authority that's a 3 month process, per conversation)?  REALLY?  SERIOUSLY? 

LET THEM DO THEIR DAMN JOB.

As it stands, removing private means of communication a diplomat would need to use classified communications every time they talk to any foreign dignitary.  The trouble?  Those very foreign dignitaries will not be cleared for that communication.  Period. 

Do the rules need to be addressed for the specifics of the State Department?  Yes.  But in the mean time, this is the work-around, and you can't just cut them off. 




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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1642 on: July 14, 2016, 05:09:13 PM »
-And THAT'S also why you don't try to gin up a fake scandal out of Bengazi - the SOS has never attended to that level of embassy security, the mistakes were made far below her level and it's a whole lot of nothing - even the coverup charges, as she's guilty of acting like a politician doing damage control when something nasty happened on her watch in her department, which makes. her. a. politician. like pretty much all of them, alas.

And the constant insanely high noise-to-signal ratio makes it impossible to go after her for her greatest sin - acting as an active collaborator to the crimes of the Cheney Bund, something for which the vast majority of everyone in both houses of congress should have been run out of public service permanently - including our sitting President who has a similar shield of enemy lies and bullcrap he can hide behind, always drowning out the real stuff he's guilty of, annoying as the noise is.

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1643 on: July 14, 2016, 10:50:54 PM »
Thanks Uno.

I only skim this thread, only about 15% is of interest to me. I didn't see your previous posts.

Plus i can only go by what the media here covers which is lucky to be 10 mins per week on the US.
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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1644 on: July 14, 2016, 11:25:00 PM »
Still more than we hear about Oz if Bindi Erwin isn't on Dancing With the Stars... :(

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1645 on: July 15, 2016, 12:20:11 AM »
All we get is 95% mass shootings and how long it's been since one's been in Australia (20 years plus for those at home playing) and the remaining 5% is on what stupid things T rump and Clinton have said that week.
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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1646 on: July 15, 2016, 12:49:13 AM »
Ugh.  You can have both sorts of 'Mercan news with my blessing.  I don't want it.

Offline Spacy

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1647 on: July 15, 2016, 02:02:32 AM »
Heard (tv at restaurant tonight with the family) that [Sleezebag] picked his VP (Indiana Governor Mike Pence) but was delaying the official announcement because of the terrorist attack in Nice. 
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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1648 on: July 15, 2016, 02:18:15 AM »
Did it turn out to be that?  I was hoping it was an accident or something...

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1649 on: July 15, 2016, 04:07:36 AM »
-on-the-gop-ticket/]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/14/10-things-you-should-know-about-mike-pence-who-may-join-donald-[Sleezebag]-on-the-gop-ticket/

He's supposed to be levelheaded and a stabilizing influence. I really have no time for the Theocons who write laws to enable discrimination against gays and call it "religious liberty". Possibly his support of one such bill is what hurt his re-election chances as governor, and why he is willing to abandon that race and run for VP instead.

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10 things you should know about Mike Pence, Donald [Sleezebag]’s likely running mate
 By Amber Phillips July 14 at 1:10 PM


Here's what you need to know about one of Donald [Sleezebag]'s potential vice presidential candidates. (Peter Stevenson, Danielle Kunitz, Osman Malik/The Washington Post)

After weeks of intrigue, and less than a day before his Friday morning vice-presidential announcement in New York, Donald [Sleezebag]'s most likely running mate is reportedly Indiana Gov. Mike Pence (R).

Pence was among the safer choices on [Sleezebag]'s short list, in part because there were few options more different than [Sleezebag] himself.

The governor is a well-known and generally well-liked figure in Republican circles. He's been in public office since 2000, most of that time in Congress. And he's got social conservative cred that could shore up support for the ticket among evangelicals who are wary of [Sleezebag].

Here's what you need to know about him:

1. Yes, he's that guy from the last year's religious freedom debate.

Pence was already well known and respected in Republican circles when he was elected governor of Indiana in 2012. But he became a household name when he signed a religious freedom bill into law in 2015. Pence said it would extend legal protections to Indiana business owners who didn't want to participate in same-sex weddings, citing their religious beliefs; opponents argued that he was sanctioning discrimination.

The law got so much attention that at the 2015 White House correspondents' dinner, President Obama joked he and Vice President Biden were so close that "in some places in Indiana, they won't serve us pizza anymore."

 

After a week of taking heat from Democrats, LGBT activists, corporate America and the NBA, Pence signed an amendment, saying it's not okay to use it to discriminate against gay people. But that didn't quell activists' criticism of the law, nor did it boost Pence's tanking approval ratings.

2. He's a social conservative.

Pence is a devout evangelical Christian who regularly talks about his faith. (He likes to describe himself as "a Christian, a conservative and a Republican, in that order.") This spring, Pence signed into law one of the strictest abortion laws in the nation. Indiana is now the second state in the nation to ban abortions when the fetus has a disability, a law likely to be challenged in court.

But not all social conservatives are thrilled with Pence now: Some thought he backed off last year's religious freedom debate under pressure from liberal groups.

3. He's facing a competitive reelection.

At least, he was. Pence will have to drop out of his reelection bid now if he becomes [Sleezebag]'s vice-presidential nominee — which may be a good thing for him, given the religious freedom debate did Pence no favors in his reelection bid. Sensing an opportunity in a state that's been trending red lately, Democrats re-recruited businessman John Gregg, who has described himself as a "gun-totin,’ Bible-quotin,’ Southern Indiana Democrat." Pence and Gregg have matched up against each other before: Gregg lost to Pence in 2012 by 3.2 percentage points in an election in which Pence failed to get 50 percent of the vote. The race made our list of top 5 seats most likely to flip.

4. He was an early advocate for the tea party movement.

One of Pence's former advisers told NBC that even before the 2010 summer of discontent between conservatives and the establishment, Pence was tuned into the populist strain of the party. While in Congress, he voted against big spending bills that the tea party would come to loathe.

5. He endorsed Ted Cruz for president.

The political world's eyes were again on Pence this spring when his state had the potential to determine the winner of the Republican presidential primary. Pence came under scrutiny for being unusually quiet about who he'd support, a reflection of how the primary divided the populist strain of the GOP and its leaders. Four days before the primary, he finally, somewhat halfheartedly, said he'd be voting for Ted Cruz. But Pence tried to tack on a political insurance policy in case [Sleezebag] won the state by adding, "I'm not against anybody," which may not have been the boldest pronouncement but certainly seems to have been the most politically savvy.

[Sleezebag] did win Indiana by almost 20 percentage points. Cruz dropped out that night, and Pence said he'd support [Sleezebag] as the nominee.

6. Paul Ryan likes him.

Before becoming governor of Indiana in 2013, Pence spent six terms in Congress, where he served on committees that dealt with foreign affairs and technology and was generally well-liked and respected by his colleagues. Over time, he smoothed out his populist, tea party edges and rose to some of the highest ranks in the party. In 2008, his colleagues elected him to the House GOP's No. 3 spot, Republican Conference chairman, a job dedicated to shaping the party's messaging after it got slammed in the 2008 elections. (Republicans took back the House in 2010.)

Pence seems to have maintained his ties on Capitol Hill after leaving it. This week, House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) said Pence is a "personal friend."

And before he came to Congress, Pence hosted a talk radio show, calling himself "Rush Limbaugh on decaf."

7. He once challenged John Boehner for his party's leadership spot in the House.

Pence may have harbored dreams of being House speaker himself. In 2006, while Republicans were still in the minority, Pence decided to run for the leader of the party against a veteran GOP congressman from Ohio, John Boehner. It didn't go so well. Pence, who positioned himself as the conservative in the race, lost in a vote among fellow House Republicans 168 to 27.

8. He's long been viewed as a potential presidential candidate.

In 2010, conservative activists at a Values Voter Summit voted Pence their top choice for a 2012 presidential candidate, a key test of grass-roots support (but not one that's necessarily indicative of success). Interestingly, Pence's 2016 veep competition, former House speaker Newt Gingrich, was also on that straw poll and came in fourth.

Pence's name was also floated in 2008 as a potential presidential contender. Pence decided to stay in Indiana and run for governor, where he eeked out a win against Gregg.

9. He's got ties to the Koch brothers.

The billionaire brothers have so far stayed out of the presidential race, a sign they're no fans of [Sleezebag]. But their 2016 involvement could change with Pence by [Sleezebag]'s side: The résumés of several of Pence's top aides also include stints with the Koch brothers' vast corporate and political networks.

UPDATE: Our crack money in politics reporter Matea Gold reports that the Koch brothers don't plan on getting involved in the presidential race even if their guy Pence is the GOP's No. 2.

10. He grew up as a Democrat.

And idolizing John F. Kennedy. Pence told CBN News in a 2010 interview: "It may be that I grew up in a big Irish Catholic family like he did. Maybe it was that my grandparents were so proud of the first Irish Catholic president." He even still has a box of Kennedy memorabilia.



 

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