Not excited...... not one bit

[Rusty Edge]

When I read that V was loosely based upon Panzer General, I got that game. It's sort of like an automated Avalon Hill hex-grid tactical game, if you're old enough to have played one of those. Similar graphics.

P.G. is challenging because the maps have the A.I. in various  well-prepared defensive positions. You have to figure out how to weaken and flank it and beat it with what you've got.

The A.I just has to react when you get close. It doesn't have to deploy on the terrain or make a formation that won't get picked off as it moves.


In V it needs to. It needs to be able to go on the offensive, too.   It puts a lot of demands on an A.I.  Instead of moving a stack that includes the everything & the kitchen sink, it has to route 15 units independently and as a formation over terrain that has different rates of travel.


As for the shrunken map, you have immersion-breaking anomalies in V, such as longbows that can shoot across the English Channel, but nothing else can until missiles.

Oh well.

[Dale]

Sadly, it's the way the franchise has gone.

Appeal to the sales figures, not to the art of design.

[Rusty Edge]

Kind of figured it was fornicated when Carl Ichon took charge. Had to be about quarterly profits. Quicker release, lower costs, and the adoption of the DLC business model.

[BlaneckW]

When I read that V was loosely based upon Panzer General, I got that game.

I am sorry for your loss.  Civ IV wasn't a total loss for me, though I probably could have forgone it.

[thorn]

Hey thorn - are you the same Thorn with the goat avatar I've seen around at WPC and 'poly?  -Do you want a goat avatar?

Dale, I've got a number of things vaguely insulting to Oz, if you're game - or if you had some serious request, I'd do you something you liked, even.

No, on Apolyton I'm DCMike. At WPC (and Civfanatics) I'm also registered as Thorn. No goat avatars anywhere. 

[Yitzi]

Civ5 sold more units than all other Civs combined.  It is still now, years later, once of the most played Steam games.  They made MILLIONS from DLC alone.

As a business venture, why would you change the formula?  Sure, it may piss off a hundred thousand hard cores, but when you gain a new million casuals why do the hard cores matter?

Because the hard cores are the ones who'll keep buying and keep the franchise going, casuals tend to dry up after a few games without hard cores.

[BlaneckW]

Because the hard cores are the ones who'll keep buying and keep the franchise going, casuals tend to dry up after a few games without hard cores.

That's a nice dream, but I don't think we are running out of idiots.  When they are done with Angry Birds (I don't know what that is) they will come to Civ 5.  I personally did not keep the Franchise going.  I became disenchanted with Civ IV (but not Alpha Centauri) and didn't buy Civ V when it sounded like it was going in a simplified direction.  I did the same thing with the Sim City series, which I rarely play anymore (Sim City 2000 on GOG).

Not that I wouldn't buy a new good Civ game after buying a new computer (I'm guessing even an upgrade would be insufficient), but they're clearly not aiming for me.

[Geo]

Because the hard cores are the ones who'll keep buying and keep the franchise going, casuals tend to dry up after a few games without hard cores.

You make it sound like there's no chance at all a number of casuals become 'hardcore'.

[BlaneckW]

You make it sound like there's no chance at all a number of casuals become 'hardcore'.

I was born hardcore.  It's part of who I am.

[Yitzi]

That's a nice dream, but I don't think we are running out of idiots.

We're also not running out of competition for those idiots.  If you don't go after the hard-core gamers of your genre, you're competing with all games, rather than just the games in your genre.  It can work, and work amazingly well, but it's a lot more likely to be a bust, because there are that many more chances for someone else to steal your customers (or have gotten them and not let go).

But of course the successes get noticed and the failures don't, so that's why they go the path they do.

You make it sound like there's no chance at all a number of casuals become 'hardcore'.

If it's not a good game, there really isn't much chance of that.

[Rusty Edge]

When I read that V was loosely based upon Panzer General, I got that game.

I am sorry for your loss.  Civ IV wasn't a total loss for me, though I probably could have forgone it.

I pre-ordered the collector's edition of V. I enjoyed the soundtrack in my car. I liked the art book. I got well over 600 hours of gameplay before I removed it and STEAM from my computer. I got my money's worth.    The loss was  more in terms of an outgrown friendship.  Very sad.

But like you, I still have a wonderful game, a community, and mods to make it even better.


Even if this game is a disappointment, it should offer some new ideas to enhance AC.

[JarlWolf]

I think, that while criticism is necessary in order to develop or review something; giving hatred without giving a proper chance is unfair.

I am going to wait until this thing is released, watch some no commentary gameplay video's, or at the very least, someone I can tolerate- and make my judgements there on whether or not I spend money for it. Who knows, maybe the AI is truly improved and we've all been duped into thinking it will be a joke. Maybe there is more ideologies and such they haven't properly explained or told us about that will be incorporated into the game, rather then just James Cameron Avatar version of  and a more militaristic  or the [progeny of unmarried parents] child of  and  .


I have my skepticism as much as anyone else, but I'll at least give it the chance of "I'll wait and see." Least my thoughts on subject.

[Buster's Uncle]

Agreed.  I think it's a mistake to just let ourselves get burned like last time, but also a mistake to assume that they can't make whatever work.  Cautious optimism/pessimism is called for, at least until we know a lot more.

[Geo]

I have my skepticism as much as anyone else, but I'll at least give it the chance of "I'll wait and see." Least my thoughts on subject.

 

[Buster's Uncle]

Hey Dale - not trolling, but I have to point out that you contradict yourself by starting the same thread in three of the four places I know of you could have - and I'd bet that I could find same at your BBR forum and other places, if I knew where to look...

Sounds sorta excited about not being excited to me.