HtH Ladder Earthmichael vs. Kirov - TTT

[Kirov]

Most people don't know how to abuse that sort of stuff.

What I meant was if you can play MP with modified txt, there is little point in banning reloads. And most people know how to modify their files. I think it was part of SMAC's popularity back at the time where games were not that easily moddable, at least not to my knowledge.

I wouldn't know; it's entirely plausible that having different values in IP games will cause bugs, even if it won't for switching in PBEM or SP.

We'll check it soon, I remember we are to start a game (it's just I know it'll take me more than a couple of minutes, last time I used Hamachi-or-whatsisname I had some problems with it).

Which bug is that?

The old datalinks say this should happen at the base tile:

if MORALE_setting >=0 add 12,5% (equivalent of + 1 morale) to combat
if MORALE_setting < 0 put exactly the bonus = 12,5% to combat (ignore negative and add 12,5%)

But as it is right now, CC affects units rehomed to CC-base, units attacking from CC base and units defending at CC base, all in a different but bugged way. In short, you receive morale penalties under positive MORALE value and vice versa. It also did funny things with the drone riot penalty, I don't remember.

:some time later:
Well, I just went to check what it does to the drone riot penalty and in my copy (2 of my copies, actually) in some simple tests, the drone riot penalty doesn't appear at all, Creche or not. You get the (-) sign, but no actual effect. I'm quite sure that drone riots should give a penalty to units which is depicted next to morale, so you should see for example: Green (-) -25%. But I can't replicate this in any copy. Could you take a look at that?

Also, in the course of fixing the Stockpile Energy bug, Kyrub seems to have introduced a more minor bug, in that when it shows the energy from a base (or even faction-wide income) it does not count the results of stockpile energy unless you stockpiled energy last turn.

Bummer. How do you know that, do you use this patch?

I see more kyrub's changes. He fixed the AI rushbuy cost formula, as right now AI pays for facilities the same price as for units. And he worked on AI SE choices, something which is also quite important for me, as wrong SE can get your faction killed (I saw many times Santiago trying to wage wars under FM, you can imagine what it looked like...).

I'm going to contact kyrub at 'poly and see if we can get him back to work on his patch. This seems like an important improvement.

[Earthmichael]

I just want to make sure that this is a true report, and not a buggy game: you have SP started at 2 of your cities?  I understand why you would do that, no issue there, I just wanted to make sure that there is not a bug.

[Yitzi]

What I meant was if you can play MP with modified txt, there is little point in banning reloads.

Unless you ban the modified txt as well.

And most people know how to modify their files. I think it was part of SMAC's popularity back at the time where games were not that easily moddable, at least not to my knowledge.

My guess is that most wouldn't think to cheat in that way.

The old datalinks say this should happen at the base tile:

if MORALE_setting >=0 add 12,5% (equivalent of + 1 morale) to combat
if MORALE_setting < 0 put exactly the bonus = 12,5% to combat (ignore negative and add 12,5%)

But as it is right now, CC affects units rehomed to CC-base, units attacking from CC base and units defending at CC base, all in a different but bugged way. In short, you receive morale penalties under positive MORALE value and vice versa. It also did funny things with the drone riot penalty, I don't remember.

Experimenting, it seems that with Kyrub's fix, it still affects units with that as their home base (whether rehomed or built at that base, but they lose it if then rehomed to a different base) when you have negative morale, on top of giving a boost to all units in the base square (more with negative morale), but it does not give an actual penalty to combat if you have a positive MORALE value.

Could you take a look at that?

It seems you are right; with or without a creche, you get the (-) on all units in the base with that as their home base (it does not apply if it's not their home base, I did not check if it's their home base but they're not in it), but it has no actual effect.

Bummer. How do you know that, do you use this patch?

Yes; I'm making my own patch, so I figured I should use the most up-to-date stuff.

I saw many times Santiago trying to wage wars under FM, you can imagine what it looked like...).

Santiago can actually pull it off if she runs Police State as well.

I'm going to contact kyrub at 'poly and see if we can get him back to work on his patch. This seems like an important improvement.

If he does, ask him to contact me so that I can combine his patch into mine or vice versa.

[Kirov]

I just want to make sure that this is a true report, and not a buggy game: you have SP started at 2 of your cities?  I understand why you would do that, no issue there, I just wanted to make sure that there is not a bug.

It's fine, I'm waiting for Biogenetics to switch to Recycling Tanks. My copy should be 100% fine right now. if there is any additional unexpected bug, it means there are gremlins in my computer.

[Earthmichael]

I figured you were stockpiling resources for Recycling Tanks (based on our earlier Morgan tech tree discussion), but wanted to be sure it was not a bug.

[Kirov]

 

[Earthmichael]

 

[Kirov]

 

Do you know if you can safely just copy your game folder to another one and just play with that? I just did that to apply the kyrub's patch and it seems unstable a bit (it's a slow and at one moment froze just at the Planetfall).

[Earthmichael]

I did not know that.  I tried copying my GOG game folder to another location, but it seems like the save files want to go to the original folder.  Is there a way around this?
 

[Kirov]

Hmm, strange. Meanwhile, one thing - you do remember to pust stockpile energy after units, don't you? Unless we want to switch to kyrub.

[Yitzi]

I did not know that.  I tried copying my GOG game folder to another location, but it seems like the save files want to go to the original folder.  Is there a way around this?
 

I doubt it, but I'm pretty sure that if you use the unpatched exe it uses that version no matter where the saved games are (and similarly if you use the patched exe.)

[Earthmichael]

Hmm, strange. Meanwhile, one thing - you do remember to pust stockpile energy after units, don't you? Unless we want to switch to kyrub.

I don't want to switch to kyrub yet; it seems a bit unproven for now.

I am trying to remember to add stockpile enery after units, but I am not used to doing it, and I often forget.  I will try harder to remember to do it.

[Earthmichael]

 

[Kirov]

 

[Earthmichael]