do chemical weapons cause eco-damage?

[bvanevery]

Someone on Reddit claims they do.  Myself, I've never noticed.  If they do, it's possible that I was controlling my eco-damage for other reasons and wouldn't have noticed.  Forests, Tree Farms, Hybrid Forests, Centauri Preserves, not going Free Market.

Makes me think of doing an AAR about maximizing eco-damage though.

[Buster's Uncle]

It's true because gas=atrocity -against humans- unless the planetary council has ruled otherwise, and atrocities rile up Planet.  I kid you not.

Wait I just manufactured a workably handwave that for Planet to abide by the dictates of the council about that is that it's a psychic entity - committing atrocities upsets Planet because the soldiers know they're committing atrocities --- soon as the authorities tell them it's cool, at least according to the current Laws Of War, gas makes no problem.

I could be wrong, though.  Someone should correct, if so.

[bvanevery]

Ok so we have to translate The World's Deadliest Joke into German, so the advancing British troops can read it and not know what they're doing.  Planet is happy now.

[Buster's Uncle]

THAT, sir, was a superior bit of Python referencing.  Hats off to you.

[bvanevery]

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[Kirov]

IIRC, not only gas, but also nerve stapling makes the Planet cry. And IIRC more, once you lift the UN Charter, the Planet is OK again.

[bvanevery]

Good grief, makes me want to crank up Chairman Yang and have him gas some of his own citizens.  Out in the wilderness next to a fungal tower, to make sure Planet hears the cries of agony.

I think Miriam should be allowed to have a crucifixion atrocity.  Like when she captures enemy faction leaders.

[Buster's Uncle]

Too hard to actually implement, but a great idea for Miriam.

[Kirov]

I think Miriam should be allowed to have a crucifixion atrocity. 

 

[bvanevery]

I guess the difficulty would be replacing the torture movie and shut door sequence on a per-faction basis.  I wonder if you were playing single player, you could have some kind of loader which edits .txt files and points at different artwork.  Maybe it could work in multiplayer if people have their own local copies of the game.  If they're using a shared copy it wouldn't work though.

It would also be nice to have different faction "torture" artwork depending on the Politics of the faction.  Miriam would crucify if Fundamentalist, but only then.  Democracies don't crucify people.  They might "stress position" people, or have court trials, or give Life sentences... maybe they do capitol punishment, but it wouldn't be cruel and unusual punishment.  For instance, Santiago probably executes people by firing squad.

[Buster's Uncle]

Lal would be mandatory counseling.  'Cure' you of your 'antisocial tendencies'...

[bvanevery]

Lal can go Fundamentalist though.  Wonder what his version of that is? 

[Buster's Uncle]

Secular humanist brainwashing.  I already said that in my last post. 

[bvanevery]

Hmm as a self-identifying Secular Humanist myself, I seem to be missing the joke.  What does it have to do with counseling anyone?  The counseling is more of a riff on his Pusilanimous Wimp tendencies.  Thing is, going Fundamentalist is not wimpy, it's a very cranky aggressive violent thing to do.  Like, Fundamentalist Muslims throw people off of minarets for being gay, or dump battery acid on women who have dishonored their families somehow.  The Christian version of that is the Inquisition and doing crucifixions.  It is difficult for me to come up with a Secular Humanist version of that, because as an ideology, it is entirely opposed to that sort of thing.

In short, I feel a need to issue a correction.  Secular Humanism can in no way be seriously construed as a fundamentalist ideology, in any guise I've ever heard of.  And I've read a bit of history on their various declarations, even if I'm not an expert about it.

It's a bit like trying to imagine a Quaker getting violent and shooting everyone up.  Doesn't really work, except as a clowning image, or an inversion.

South Park did clown the abuse of children by an Agnostic parent, browbeating them over and over again that they DON'T KNOW the answer to whether there is a God or not, IIRC.

Secular Humanism is distinct from Secularism, which I think is capable of being more onerous.  For instance, the French government has made oppressive Secular decisions at the expense of Muslims in school.  Girls must remove their head scarves.  They are explicitly forcing this in the name of uniform Secularism, that's what I believe I read.

This kind of forcing of physical attire, I think is morally wrong.  It's definitely not very practical for their society, in that it breeds resistance and animosity.  In the USA, if you want to wear a crucifix around your neck that's your business.  The State doesn't get to make laws about what you can or cannot do to express your religion or lack of religion.  It's the public school that cannot put a crucifix up on the wall, have the teachers teach religion or mandate adherence to it, etc.  Very different from trying to control individual expression through clothing.

So I guess I need to think about what Lal's "inversion" would be.  So Democratic it hurts.    Or so One World Government it hurts, maybe.

[Buster's Uncle]

Maybe the crap the fascist wing of the country made up about Bakrama the second they lost and haven't shut up on since.

There is no cause, no mode of thought, so rigorous, right and noble that it doesn't draw fanatics and/or ever get hopelessly perverted.  -COUGHFrenchRevolution>murder>murder>murder>NapoleonAnywayCOUGH-  That is the human race we're stuck with, endless 'Christians' who understand Jesus' teachings so poorly that they own guns and engage in hate politics - mainstream ones; there's always been fringe cranks.   My personal political leanings are short-circuiting my intention of making some analogy in the opposite direction, 'cause I'm that sick of the fascists who took over my country a long time ago and failing to get past that.

Dude, I'm an hour's drive down I-40, and believe it or not, there are still some registered Democrats left down the hill in this state.  THAT wasn't a political post; THIS is.  I was thinking of Brave New World stuff, and can't believe you haven't read enough SF to get "'Cure' you of your 'antisocial tendencies'".