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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1905 on: August 21, 2016, 03:57:53 PM »
Disagree.

Offline Rusty Edge

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1906 on: August 21, 2016, 08:25:24 PM »
Now, is the RNC the ones whom are getting T rump his new campaign (and later White House top staff) staff or is he??  My thoughts is that it is the RNC trying to keep him afloat...

I believe that the National Enquirer ( where [Sleezebag] gets his conspiracy theories ) and Breitbart News ( the [Sleezebag] News Network) are both owned by a friend of his. The recent switch is seen as a return to the original campaign manager Corey Lewandowski's "let [Sleezebag] be [Sleezebag]" philosophy.

Campaign manager #2 , Paul Manafort was brought on to protect [Sleezebag]'s nomination from a rules fight and other potential convention shenanigans. He succeeded. He was the one trying to get [Sleezebag] to be presidential and read the script.  The trouble with him and his people is that they are lobbyists for foreign governments with ties to Russian oil, Pakistan, Russian and Ukranian oligarchs, etc. It is doubtful that many of them could get security clearances. Maybe they are taking their money and prestige and leaving the Trumptanic before facing potentially embarrassing security checks.

As for GOP Chairman  ReiNCe PRieBuS ( read the consonants) , I think he was trying to manage [Sleezebag] and his wave of angry seldom-voters. I think he made promises to [Sleezebag] about treating him fairly and supporting him, it's just that [Sleezebag] doesn't hasn't been holding up his end of things.
[Sleezebag] has been grousing about being scripted and losing in the polls, and he equates the two.

The RNC is trying to keep him afloat, just to trim Hillary's coattails. As to how much he's listening to what they tell him, I don't know.

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1907 on: August 21, 2016, 08:41:41 PM »
So, when are the debates and will Johnson be in them?
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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1908 on: August 21, 2016, 10:41:05 PM »
Will Johnson be in? Short answer, don't know. Longer answer later.

Schedule-

1st ) Monday 9/26/16,  9-10:30 PM Eastern Time at Hofstra University, in NY

VP debate - Tuesday 10/4/16,  9-10:30 PM Eastern Time at Longwood University, in VA

2nd) 10/9/16 Sunday 10/9/16 ,  9-10:30 PM Eastern Time at Washington University, in MO

3rd) Wednesday, 10/19/16 9-10:30 PM Eastern Time at University of Las Vegas, in NV

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1909 on: August 21, 2016, 11:05:27 PM »
As far as I can see, there have been no new qualifying polls released since I last calculated on the 18th-

" Johnson is at a 10% average in the debate qualifying polls, with an average 3% margin of error. The polls with the smallest margins also have the highest numbers."

*The Commission has spoken of "giving an inch" and "margin of error". 

* The judge threw out the lawsuit by Johnson and Stein regarding their being excluded 4 years ago, saying they didn't have standing. An appeal my follow, but it's too late for that to affect this year's debates. 

* A Johnson friendly PAC has filed against the commission, saying essentially that they are politically partisan if they don't include all candidates on enough state ballots to mathematically win the Electoral College. If they don't change their ways, the PAC will demand that the commission lose it's tax except status. The reasoning seems pretty sound to me. Bi-partisan is not non-partisan.

* Rumors are there are major political endorsements coming at the end of this month ( all Bushes, McCain, and maybe some more. ) That would send a message that [Sleezebag] has lost and it's okay to support Johnson.

* The Commission has set a deadline for the first debate of 9/23. They will re-evaluate the polls for each subsequent debate.

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1910 on: August 21, 2016, 11:31:29 PM »
The PAC's need to fund some good polls that give all the canidates a fair chance that will show Johnson...

Has Johnson been on Late Night??
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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1911 on: August 22, 2016, 04:32:34 AM »
PACs are working on two advertising fronts-

TV spots in targeted areas, and internet memes designed for millennials.

Johnson and Weld appeared on Colbert early on, but I don't know if they've appeared on any other major show. Frankly, I've gotten out of the habit of watching in the last couple of years, I guess Fallon and Kimmel still have shows.

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1912 on: August 22, 2016, 05:55:54 AM »
Sometimes it's nice to see the New York Times validate my opinion- okay, it's really great on one level, and it sorta sucks when some things are proven true.

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Sean Hannity Turns Adviser in the Service of Donald [Sleezebag]
Jim Rutenberg   
MEDIATOR AUG. 21, 2016

During major inflection points in Donald J. [Sleezebag]’s campaign, the advisers, family members and friends who make up his kitchen cabinet burn up their email accounts and phone lines gaming out how to get his candidacy on track (and what counsel he might go along with).

But one person in the mix brings more than just his political advice. He also happens to control an hour of prime time on the Fox News Channel.

That person is Sean Hannity.

Mr. Hannity uses his show on the nation’s most-watched cable news network to blare Mr. [Sleezebag]’s message relentlessly — giving Mr. [Sleezebag] the kind of promotional television exposure even a billionaire can’t afford for long.

But Mr. Hannity is not only Mr. [Sleezebag]’s biggest media booster; he also veers into the role of adviser. Several people I’ve spoken with over the last couple of weeks said Mr. Hannity had for months peppered Mr. [Sleezebag], his family members and advisers with suggestions on strategy and messaging.

So involved is Mr. Hannity that three separate denizens of the hall of mirrors that is [Sleezebag] World told me they believed Mr. Hannity was behaving as if he wanted a role in a possible [Sleezebag] administration — something he denied to me as laughable and contractually prohibitive in an interview on Friday.

But he did not dispute that he lends his thoughts to Mr. [Sleezebag] and others in his close orbit whom Mr. Hannity has known for years.

“Do I talk to my friend who I’ve known for years and speak my mind? I can’t not speak my mind,’’ he said.

But, Mr. Hannity said, “I don’t say anything privately that I don’t say publicly.’’ And, he acknowledged, it’s unclear how far his advice goes with Mr. [Sleezebag], given that “nobody controls him.”

Mr. Hannity is unapologetic about his aim. “I’m not hiding the fact that I want Donald [Sleezebag] to be the next president of the United States.” After all, he says, “I never claimed to be a journalist.”

That makes Mr. Hannity the ultimate product of the Fox News Channel that Roger Ailes envisioned when he founded it with Rupert Murdoch 20 years ago, as a defiant answer to what they described as an overwhelmingly liberal mainstream news media that was biased against Republicans. Mr. Hannity was there from the beginning with Mr. Ailes, who was forced out over sexual harassment allegations last month.

Mr. Hannity’s show has all the trappings of traditional television news — the anchor desk, the graphics and the patina of authority that comes with being part of a news organization that also employs serious-minded journalists like Chris Wallace, Bret Baier and Megyn Kelly.

But because Mr. Hannity is “not a journalist,” he apparently feels free to work in the full service of his candidate without having to abide by journalism’s general requirements for substantiation and prohibitions against, say, regularly sharing advice with political campaigns.

So there was Mr. Hannity last week, devoting one of his shows to a town hall-style meeting with Mr. [Sleezebag] at which his (leading) questions often contained extensive Trumpian talking points — including the debunked claim that Mr. [Sleezebag] opposed the Iraq invasion. (As BuzzFeed News first reported, Mr. [Sleezebag] voiced support for the campaign in a 2002 discussion with the radio host Howard Stern.)

On other days, he has lent his prime-time platform to wild, unsubstantiated accusations that Hillary Clinton is hiding severe health problems. He showed a video of a supposed possible seizure that was in fact a comical gesture Mrs. Clinton was making to reporters, as one of them, The Associated Press’s Lisa Lerer, reported. He also shared a report from the conservative site The Gateway Pundit that a member of Mrs. Clinton’s security detail appeared to be carrying a diazepam syringe, “for patients who experience recurrent seizures.”

A simple call to the Secret Service spokeswoman Nicole Mainor, as I made on Friday, would have resulted in the answer that the “syringe” was actually a small flashlight.

People in Mr. Hannity’s audience of 2.5 million who are inclined to believe the health allegations, and who believe the mainstream media are covering for Mrs. Clinton, are unlikely to be impressed by the Secret Service’s explanation.

That’s the ultimate result of the hyperpoliticized approach Mr. Hannity and so many others use in today’s more stridently ideological media: A fact is dismissed as false when it doesn’t fit the preferred political narrative.

But while this informational nihilism appears to have hit a new high, the last two weeks have signaled the start of a possible reckoning within the conservative media.

First there was The Wall Street Journal’s deputy editorial page editor Bret Stephens, who, after trading insults with Mr. Hannity over Mr. [Sleezebag], said on the MSNBC show “Morning Joe” that “too much of the Republican Party became an echo chamber of itself.”

Those who spend an inordinate amount of time “listening to certain cable shows” and inhaling the conspiracy theories promoted on “certain fringes of the internet,’’ he said, wind up in a debate that’s “divorced from reality.”

Then there was the conservative radio host Charlie Sykes, who lamented in an interview with the Business Insider politics editor Oliver Darcy, “We have spent 20 years demonizing the liberal mainstream media.”

That criticism was often warranted, Mr. Sykes said. (Just take a look at the decision by the former Clinton White House aide and current ABC News anchor George Stephanopoulos to give some $75,000 to the Clinton Foundation, for which he apologized last year.) But, as Mr. Sykes said, “At a certain point, you wake up and you realize you have destroyed the credibility of any credible outlet out there.” Therefore any attempt to debunk a falsehood by Mr. [Sleezebag], he said, becomes hopeless.

What really caught my eye, though, was the moment on Fox News on Wednesday when Dana Perino, a host of “The Five,” refused to go along with a colleague’s attempt to dispute the many polls showing Mrs. Clinton leading Mr. [Sleezebag]. “That’s a real disservice to his supporters, to lie to them that those polls don’t matter,” said Ms. Perino, a White House press secretary for George W. Bush.

She went on to express regret for joining with other Fox News hosts who doubted the polls showing President Obama leading Mitt Romney in 2012.

You can’t help but see it as a sure sign that Mr. Ailes, who presided over all of that polling doubt four years ago, had left the building. Still, even Mr. Ailes occasionally reined in his more opinionated hosts when he worried they would tarnish the credibility of his news reporters.

It’s why, for instance, he abruptly canceled Mr. Hannity’s plans to attend a major Tea Party rally in Ohio in 2010 after it came to light that the organizers were using his appearance to raise money.

Mr. Ailes faced another Hannity-related issue shortly before his ouster, when CNN reported that the host had provided Newt Gingrich with private jet travel to Indiana, for a possible vice-presidential interview with Mr. [Sleezebag]. (Mr. Hannity had been lobbying Mr. [Sleezebag] to choose Mr. Gingrich.)

Mr. Ailes opted against forcing Mr. Hannity to collect the fare from Mr. Gingrich. He had a possible reason: Mr. Hannity was among those supporting Mr. Ailes amid the sexual harassment scandal, eventually even discussing a walkout in the event of Mr. Ailes’s ouster, as Breitbart reported a few days later. (After Fox News executives shared with Mr. Hannity and others the full details of the allegations, which Mr. Ailes denies, the talk of a walkout ended.)

Mr. Hannity says Mr. Gingrich is a very close friend and it’s his business what favors he does for him, though he left open the possibility that Mr. Gingrich might cut a check for the plane trip just the same. Since Mr. Ailes’s departure, Fox executives have not pushed the issue. Nor, apparently, have they warned Mr. Hannity away from giving advice to Mr. [Sleezebag] and his campaign — at least not so far during a turbulent time at the network.

Then again, at this point there are questions about how much advice Mr. Ailes himself was lending to Mr. [Sleezebag] when he was running the place, given that, as The Times reported on Saturday, he has already emerged as an influential [Sleezebag] adviser.

Mr. Hannity told me his support for Mr. [Sleezebag] makes him “more honest” than mainstream reporters who hide their biases. It turns out even “honesty” is a relative concept these days. For some people more than others.


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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1913 on: August 22, 2016, 05:36:33 PM »
Now I am wondering as to what Howard thinks of both [Sleezebag] and Johnson...
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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1914 on: August 22, 2016, 06:51:36 PM »
Howard?


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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1915 on: August 22, 2016, 07:31:48 PM »

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1916 on: August 23, 2016, 01:43:39 AM »
E_T's questions raised a related question in my mind- How is the network news coverage of Gary Johnson?

Well, CNN, has hosted a couple of town halls, Fusion has done one, and FOX has one scheduled for the 26th. Doing my daily Googles, I don't remember a lot of network stories from the broadcasters, so I dug into it.

I did searches, such as "Gary Johnson NBC ", and hit the news tab. I started sifting through the results. The first thing which I was reminded of was that all of the News networks sponsor polls, so you will get hits with a byline like USA Today, US News& World Report, Huffington Post, etc, reporting and commenting on the latest polls.

The next thing I noticed is that it's not just NBC and affiliates, it's MSNBC, CNBC, etc. Likewise other Networks have business or Latino channels.

So I ignored the other bylines in my results that were simply reporting polls or offering commentary on network stories or town halls. I looked only at August.

They added up- NBC had time to fill on it's channels. ABC has a Montana affiliate that seems to be interested in the campaign. FOX Business seems to have a libertarian streak. PBS News appeared to be attempting balanced coverage. Most everybody had something a few times a week...except

CBS! I think they had one hit, and one for their NY affiliate. That's it. Maybe they are pro-Hillary and their polling indicates that Johnson hurts her a little more than [Sleezebag]. Maybe they are more apolitical... don't know, but it sticks out.

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1917 on: August 23, 2016, 01:51:27 AM »
ISTR when I was growing up my parents thought CBS News skewed Democratic...

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1918 on: August 23, 2016, 02:29:35 AM »
I have always found PBS to be as objective as possible in this day and age...
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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1919 on: August 23, 2016, 02:39:51 AM »
I watched the last convention on PBS, and I really liked their talking heads...

 

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