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Offline Rusty Edge

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1815 on: August 06, 2016, 02:30:09 AM »
http://wonkette.com/605128/jill-stein-didnt-want-you-dumb-old-bernie-voters-anyway

I'm struggling to even highlight text, I suspect my third laptop crash of the day is approaching.
The above is an article about Jill Stein's VP pick, since she couldn't coax Bernie to join the Greens at the top of her ticket.

The guy seems really smart, and really radical, and I don't think it reflects well on Jill, who(m?) I thought was an intelligent and impassioned activist accommodating an "out there" platform.
Now I have to reconsider my assumptions.

I give up. I can't do anything with that page. Anyway, Jill Stein and Ajuma Baracka forgot their Dale Carnegie.

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1816 on: August 06, 2016, 02:34:46 AM »
I feel you on the machine sucking, problem, man.  Mine's on the way out.

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1817 on: August 06, 2016, 05:46:00 AM »
Gleanings-

* Guess I missed this in the crowd of negative headlines.
-university-trial/]http://usuncut.com/politics/donald-[Sleezebag]-university-trial/
Not only are they going forward with the civil suit against [Sleezebag] University, but the fraud & racketeering charge as well.

* Hillary was dumb enough to double down, saying she must have been talking past Chris Wallace, and short circuited her response about the FBI ( when she said they confirmed she was telling the truth). But she stands by the part about never sending or receiving e-mails marked classified on her private server. WRONG! Admit it , apologize and move on. Or simply move on, but don't continue to insist that you didn't do it. You did. You'll get another pants on fire for that one, and a PAC ad, too, just to remind people you can't be believed.

* The Chicago Tribune editorial board came out with a demand to include Johnson in the debate, not because they think he can win the Whitehouse, but because he has fresh and interesting ideas that a lot of people might like.

* [Sleezebag] came out endorsing Ryan, McCain, and New Hampshire Senator Kelly Ayote. It's a little late, and it sounds like a flip-flop rather than an apology. It kind of underscores that [Sleezebag], insulted all POWs earlier this year, before insulting the Gold Star family. I have a feeling that this is why he is slipping in the polls, well, combined with his personal history of going to military school and then getting a draft deferment, and then joking that he always wanted one, but this is a way easier way to get it, when a veteran gave him his Purple Heart. I think his "base" of white guy baby boomers without college educations care about that stuff. Maybe that will stop the losses in the polls.

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1818 on: August 06, 2016, 09:15:03 PM »
Just watched the video of Gary and Bill's first rally, estimated at 500 people by the police. He also took questions, so it was sort of a town meeting.

He quipped that [Sleezebag] was watching the Olympics to see how high the Mexican pole vaulters can leap.

As a trial stump speech, a lot of it was lines I'd heard before, and the stuff about the merits of being honest was again well received.   I was struck by the positivity. He seems to be the only candidate excited about the times we live in and the potential of the future.

It also occurs to me that he is, as people from New Mexico have said, a good listener, and while not promising to do something that would require an act of Congress, he is willing to fix things when possible when people make reasonable requests.

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1819 on: August 06, 2016, 09:16:33 PM »
;b;

I want this man to do well.

Offline Rusty Edge

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1820 on: August 07, 2016, 12:03:42 AM »
Me, too, obviously.

Today he held another rally, this time in Utah. Indications are that there were more people than when Hillary held an event in the same venue. No objective news on that event as yet. But it's an encouraging sign, really encouraging. I feared he may have alienated too many Mormans with some careless comments he made while being pursued by reporters in the rain outside the Democratic convention. That was compounded by the prop-up [Sleezebag] press. Johnson apologized and explained in The Dessert News, saying he doesn't want discrimination against gays or religions, and he thinks the Utah Compromise got it right.

My take on things is that not only is he pretty honest, but that his concern for fairness is why he fights cronyism and discrimination of all kinds. I'm really encouraged that Johnson was welcomed, rather than protested in Utah. I found this article while searching for news. I thought it was pretty informative, so I'm going to copy the whole thing here-

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865659450/Heres-how-Gary-Johnson-feels-about-guns-Black-Lives-Matter-and-purple-politics.html?pg=all

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Offline Rusty Edge

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1821 on: August 07, 2016, 12:40:09 AM »
Maybe... with enough refreshing I can cobble this together...

The article is heavily linked and has some video clips, so it might be better to read it there-

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865659450/Heres-how-Gary-Johnson-feels-about-guns-Black-Lives-Matter-and-purple-politics.html?pg=all

Here's how Gary Johnson feels about guns, Black Lives Matter and purple politics
by Herb Scribner

If you’ve at all followed Utah and national politics this summer, chances are you know about Gary Johnson.

For the uninitiated, Johnson is the Libertarian Party’s presidential nominee for president who’s been touted as an alternative option for voters uninterested in Democratic Party nominee Hillary Clinton and Republican nominee Donald [Sleezebag].

Johnson has seen his popularity soar in Utah because, as national news outlets have reported, Utahns don’t really favor Clinton or [Sleezebag]. In fact, Clinton and [Sleezebag] are basically tied in recent polls for the often-seen deep red Beehive State, according to The Hill. Some members of the LDS Church, who make up the bulk of Utah’s population, don’t favor [Sleezebag] for his immigration policies, while many other Utahns supported Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton in the primary earlier this year.

But Johnson has struck a chord with some Utahns for a few reasons (he currently has earned favor of 26 percent of the vote in Utah, after all). As Vox’s Timothy B. Lee reported, Johnson’s actually more of a Republican candidate for president than [Sleezebag], which may sit well with the deep red state. Johnson’s campaign strategist Ron Nielson is also a Utah Mormon, which is why Johnson’s based his national campaign in Utah, too.

And there’s been rumors that former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, a member of the LDS Church who helped organize the 2002 Salt Lake Olympics, may endorse Johnson and his running mate, former Massachusetts Gov. William Weld, which has comforted a lot of Utahns in supporting him.

Winning Utah, Nielson told the Deseret News, is part of Johnson’s strategy to win the national election.

“I think everyone can agree there’s a big fall-off from the [Sleezebag] wagon in the state of Utah, so I think that opens some big doors,” Nielson told the Deseret News. “And I also think there’s a lot of Bernie supporters who don’t really know if they want to support Clinton, so that creates some space for us. I wouldn’t say it’s the most likely state, that would probably be New Mexico or Colorado, but things change all the time, and Utah is certainly one of the top rung of states and we’ll be making a lot of effort here. Johnson will be here all the time.”

Nielson said if Johnson can win Utah, he may steal some electoral votes from [Sleezebag] and Clinton in the national election, which could block both candidates from receiving the 270 votes needed to win the presidency. Johnson hopes to force the House of Representatives then to vote in the next president (as the U.S. Constitution advises), allowing him to convince politicians to vote for him.

Still, Johnson has some roadblocks ahead of him. Just last week, the Libertarian candidate upset some of the Utah Mormon population for what he said about religious freedom and the LDS Church.

"I mean under the guise of religious freedom, anybody can do anything," Johnson said, according to The Washington Examiner. "Back to Mormonism. Why shouldn't somebody be able to shoot somebody else because their freedom of religion says that God has spoken to them and that they can shoot somebody dead?"

Johnson later apologized for the remarks, both to the national media and to the Deseret News in an exclusive piece in which he clarified his thoughts.

“In part because of this unique history, I believe Utah has found an appropriate balance in a religious freedom law that serves as an example to the rest of the country that non-discrimination and religious freedom are not opposing forces, but can instead go hand in hand,” he said.

Johnson still faces a national roadblock. He currently hovers around 12 percent in national polls, which is below the 15 percent threshold needed for him to compete in the national televised debates (though there’s speculation that the debate commission will allow him into the debates anyway).

CNN has hosted a few Town Hall events for Johnson and Weld (they’ll soon do the same for Green Party candidate Jill Stein). The most recent one occurred Wednesday night, and we’ve rounded up some of the highlights for you below.

Johnson and Weld are selling optimism and purple politics.

It’s not secret that Johnson and Weld have their work cut out for them if they want to make it to the national debate stage. But the two candidates said during CNN’s Town Hall that they were going to push for a purple ticket, one where both sides of the political aisle can come together, according to UPI.

This kind of ticket, Johnson said, is a way for them to sell “optimism,” UPI reported.

"Our proposals would not say, 'Take that you stupid D Party or you stupid R Party,' it would be 'here's what we think this is kind of in the middle, can we come together around this' and the recipients of that information would not feel attacked so they might be more likely to come to the table," Weld said, according to UPI.

Johnson supports social tolerance and financial responsibility.

A Bernie Sanders supporter, who said he’s #NeverHillary, asked Johnson why he should vote Libertarian instead of Democratic.

Johnson told the supporter he agrees with Sanders on 70 percent of the major issues — specifically that he “supports gay marriage, abortion rights, drug legalization and an end to military intervention,” according to Reason.

But Johnson said he believes in capitalism and the free market, something that could sit well with conservative voters.

America needs to ‘wake up’ about racial discrimination.

Shetamaia Taylor asked Johnson how he felt about the Black Lives Matter movement and racial discrimination issues in the United States.

Johnson admitted he didn’t know much about racial discrimination before the rise of BLM, but that the movement has opened his eyes, according to Politico.

"What it has done for me is that my head's been in the sand on this," Johnson admitted. "I think we've all had our heads in the sand. And let's wake up. This discrimination does exist, it has existed, and for me, personally, slap, slap, wake up."

Weld said the government should be held to that standard, too.

"I think we have a national emergency in the number of male black youth who are unemployed without prospects," Weld said, according to Politico. "They're four times as likely to be incarcerated if they have intersection with law enforcement as white people are. Their educational opportunities are not there. We have to get them in to education and just concentrate the power of the government, trying to make sure that there are jobs available for them. It's a national emergency and when there's a national emergency, the government has to respond. Libertarian or no libertarian."

Johnson doesn't want any discrimination — against religion or otherwise

The Libertarian running mates didn't seem all-in on religious freedom. But, like he said in the aforementioned exclusive for the Deseret News, Johnson admitted he doesn't want any sort of discrimination, according to CNN.

"I fear that under the guise of religious liberty, the LGBT community is being discriminated against," Johnson said. "I don't want to support discrimination in any form whatsoever."

He wouldn’t change anything about availability of semi-automatic and automatic weapons.

A Hillary Clinton supporter asked Johnson if Americans should be allowed to buy semi-automatic and automatic weapons, specifically AK-47s and AR-15s.

Johnson said outlawing purchases of these guns probably would create more issues, according to Rare.

“Well, right now that is a category of weapon that encompasses 30 million weapons — the semi-automatic,” he said, according to Rare. “Let’s just say we passed a law that outlawed semi-automatic rifles. I think that maybe you would have half of those rifles turned in and the other half of those rifles would be owned by law abiding citizens that are now going to become criminals.”

More so, Johnson said the issue of automatic weapons is misunderstood, and that he wouldn’t change the standing laws about the availability of these weapons should become president.

“I think it’s a misunderstood issue,” he continued. “There are no automatic rifles currently allowed for sale. That went away decades ago.”

Johnson admitted how he feels about prostitution and sex trafficking

Johnson has faced criticism before for wanting to legalize prostitution, according to CNN. But he clarified in his Town Hall speech that he would leave it up to the states to decide how prostitution should be handled.

He did admit, though, that prostitution is a mostly victimless crime — except for the worker.

"The victim is the prostitute," Johnson said of criminal prostitution.

He said you should vote for who you believe in.

Johnson and Weld said they both expect people to waste their votes this coming fall by selecting candidates only because they align with their chosen party and not their own political beliefs.

But Johnson said it’s important to vote for who you believe in, no matter what side of the aisle, according to The Week.

"A wasted vote is voting for somebody that you don't believe in, and if we're going to continue to vote for the lesser of two evils, that's still evil," Johnson said.


Offline Rusty Edge

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1822 on: August 07, 2016, 01:00:42 AM »
Here's the latest ad, "One day, our best America yet" down to one minute. I know, you're going to say "it's still too long".

But this is the most positive thing I've seen since Rubio tried to invoke Regan's "Morning in America"

https://www.facebook.com/govgaryjohnson/videos/10153254030284364/

Offline Rusty Edge

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1823 on: August 07, 2016, 02:36:00 AM »
No surprise, but I think Jill Stein locked down the Green Party nomination. This is an article about her, rather than the convention.

https://www.publicintegrity.org/2016/08/06/19882/9-things-know-about-jill-stein

9 things to know about Jill Stein
Massachusetts doctor is Green Party's presidential nominee
by Michael Beckel, Jarred Bennett

Abolishing student debt. Increasing the minimum wage to $15 an hour. Guaranteeing a right to health care.

Sound familiar? Those issues — which wouldn't be out of place in a Bernie Sanders stump speech — are also among the top priorities of Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein, who won her party's nomination today in Houston.

And during an election season in which many voters and donors unexpectedly flocked to Sanders, Stein is hoping to harness some of that energy for her longshot presidential bid now that Sanders has conceded and endorsed former Democratic Party rival Hillary Clinton.

Stein — a medical doctor and activist from Massachusetts — was also the Green Party's presidential nominee four years ago. Then, she earned about 0.36 percent of the vote nationally and appeared on the ballot in 36 states and the District of Columbia. She only garnered more than 1 percent of the vote in two states: Maine and Oregon.

But that hasn't deterred Stein from calling for a "Green New Deal" and a "truly representative democracy," which would include "open debates" as well as ranked-choice voting and public financing of campaigns.

During her 2012 campaign, Stein raised about $1.3 million, including $64,000 of her own money and about $370,000 in public funding.

Stein is again expected to receive some public financing for her 2016 presidential bid, as is Libertarian Party nominee Gary Johnson. The better-funded campaigns of Clinton and Republican presidential nominee Donald [Sleezebag] are raising their funds strictly from private sources.

Here are nine other things to know about the Green Party's presidential standard-bearer.

Who is Jill Stein? She's a doctor, activist and Green Party presidential candidate from Massachusetts.

2016 is not Jill Stein's first election. She was also the Green Party's presidential nominee in 2012. And she's run for office in Massachusetts. Her biggest electoral success? Town meeting representative in the town of Lexington. 

Nearly 50 percent of the $860,000 Jill Stein has raised so far for her 2016 presidential bid has come from small-dollar donors giving $200 or less.
Federal disclosures show that Jill Stein and her husband, Richard Rohrer, are together worth at least $3.9 million.

Among the stock holdings of Jill Stein and her husband: at least $100,000 worth of Disney, at least $100,000 worth of Home Depot and at least $50,000 worth of Merck.
 
Jill Stein has invested about $170,000 of her own money into her Green Party campaigns over the years — including $40,000 for her 2016 presidential bid.

Jill Stein raised about $1.3 million for her 2012 Green Party presidential bid — including about $370,000 in public funding.

Jill Stein earned 0.36 percent of the presidential vote in 2012. She did best in Maine and Oregon — where she got 1.1 percent.

Jill Stein twice ran for office against Republican Mitt Romney — for president in 2012 and for governor in 2002.



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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1824 on: August 07, 2016, 02:57:00 AM »
Try to find out what Sanders is up to this week if you can.

Loading that Johnson vid now.

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1825 on: August 07, 2016, 03:02:52 AM »
Here's the latest ad, "One day, our best America yet" down to one minute. I know, you're going to say "it's still too long".

But this is the most positive thing I've seen since Rubio tried to invoke Regan's "Morning in America"

https://www.facebook.com/govgaryjohnson/videos/10153254030284364/
No, the length must be okay, 'cause he kept my unbored attention all the way through and made good points.  The problem is --- he just doesn't seem presidential and I don't even know what that is...

Offline Rusty Edge

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1826 on: August 07, 2016, 05:23:03 AM »
This seems to sum up the Bernie News best-
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-sanders-message-20160805-snap-story.html

HAving hardware struggles again-


Anyway, it's his editorial making the case for voting for Hillary in order to defeat [Sleezebag], and how it's still a revolution.

* In other news 3 of the officers in the DNC were fired in connection with the WikiLeaks scandal last week.

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1827 on: August 07, 2016, 11:18:53 AM »
American Nazi Party: Chairman of Political Group Says Donald [Sleezebag] Win Would Be an Opportunity, Report Says

Rocky Suhayda said on his radio program last month that a [Sleezebag] win would "be a real opportunity for people like white nationalists, acting intelligently, to build upon," Buzzfeed reported.
https://www.facebook.com/topic/American-Nazi-Party/106225522741206?source=whfrt&position=1&trqid=6316025911050680243

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« Reply #1828 on: August 07, 2016, 10:02:18 PM »
I was going to link the Washington Post article about that.

* LA Times op-ed :  "If Hillary Clinton Wins, Can She Claim a Mandate?"
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/

She's making the case that [Sleezebag] is unfit for office, but not really making the case against TPP or for her tax proposal, which tends to leave her with status quo.

* Libertarian reporter John Stassel was asked why Johnson isn't really getting traction, and he came down on Libertarian solutions don't soundbite so well.

That is as may be, but I think there's more at play. Predictably major party candidates get a polling bounce when they mathematically secure the nominations, and again when they have their conventions. So even if the Libertarians , Greens, and Constitutionalists, do get a detectable bounce, it's only once, and the news coverage is miniscule by comparison.

In Johnson's case he had enough media impact and support to get noticed in the polls, then he had to overcome Jill Stein, who was fighting for the same oxygen, then the conventions hit back to back, and a lot of people made up their minds that one major party candidate wasn't so intolerable, and the other was. So some of the bounce came at his expense. Now he has clawed back to double digit support again, although today's ABC national poll still has him at 8, the same as they had him in mid-July.

A sound byte? How about- "More programs, more laws, and more wars have only given us more debt, less privacy and less security. Freedom is a better value."

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1829 on: August 07, 2016, 10:07:16 PM »
John Stassel is a tool anyway.

 

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