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[Rusty Edge]

That was interesting reading. I couldn't actually tell much of what was being said during those portions of the debate, because they were talking over one another, other than it was refreshing to see [Sleezebag] get a taste of his own tactics. After all, he seems to be a do double unto others as they have done unto you kind of guy.

For the record, I generally hate when they do that. The debates are supposed to be about ideas, and theatrics just show a lack of respect for ideas. If you don't think your ideas can stand up in a fair comparison, maybe you shouldn't be running.

If I ran a televised  debate, not only would it be rigidly timed, but rigidly timed would apply to microphones being turned on and off. You wouldn't be able to interrupt, or go over time, and you wouldn't be on camera to make monkey shines. If you did somehow managed to steal time, it would be subtracted from your closing remarks.

Maybe my rules sound harsh, but the Constitution is a set of rules that protects the rights of others, and if you can't abide by rules, whether you like them or not,  you probably aren't the best person to protect, preserve and defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic.

[Buster's Uncle]

I always have mixed feelings when people use the Bad Guys' tactics to go after the Bad Guys.  Once in a while down here in North Carolina, a democrat will release a really harsh attack ad against someone very deserving -and I never saw this much as recently as ten years ago- and part of me is thinking "Fight!  Get 'im!" and another part is thinking that it sounds exactly like the crap I despise the right so much for sinking to.  The right is so much better at it, and it bothers me when the left doesn't fight back, and also bothers me when the left sinks as low.

[Buster's Uncle]

I guess one of the things I'm trying to say here is that loud stupid ignorance has had its political day for 36 years straight now, and like the neighbor's dog barking, ignoring it doesn't make it go away.  Loud stupid ignorance has just gotten louder, stupider, and more brazenly ignorant instead of realizing what it is and being ashamed.  It's time for the grownups to get out the squirt gun or something.

-It really is the stupid that bothers me more than the wrong and evil, for some reason...

[Buster's Uncle]

I don't think Senator Graham disagrees, exactly.

Lindsey Graham Roasts GOP Candidates: ‘My Party Has Gone Bat**** Crazy’

[Rusty Edge]

I've determined that [Sleezebag] support is more about giving the press, politicians, political parties and federal government the finger than anything else, and that's why it doesn't slip no matter what.

I did find one of Rubio's assertions interesting- that he deliberately brought in foreign workers on visas and disregarded American applications. I figure it's nearly impossible to keep an illegal Mexican from for one of the subcontractors on a large project. But this is about payroll jobs, and if I were supporter, I'd change my mind about him because of this-

FROM NATIONAL REVIEW-
"And of course there is [Sleezebag]'s use and abuse of America's visa programs, beyond Mar-a-Lago. Reuters reviewed Department of Labor Data last August, and
reports that [Sleezebag]-owned companies have tried to import 1,100 workers on temporary visas since 2000. Jobs “that Americans won’t do” include waitress, cook, vineyard worker, golf-course superintendent, hotel manager, banquet manager, and maid. Additionally, American women apparently are not attractive enough for Donald [Sleezebag]; the [Sleezebag] Model Management and [Sleezebag] Management Group LLC have sought to import 250 fashion models from overseas.

Conservative voters who believe that a President [Sleezebag] will enforce and strengthen our immigration laws, will prosecute those who violate them, and will put the interest of American workers first are deluding themselves. Donald [Sleezebag]’s professional history is one of undermining American workers — by exploiting the law wherever possible and, when that’s not enough, breaking it outright. Donald [Sleezebag] is not looking out for American workers. He is looking out for his own pocketbook. That’s not going to change by putting him in the White House.

 Read more at: -foreign-workers-american-workers-arent-good-enough]http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431933/donald-[Sleezebag]-foreign-workers-american-workers-arent-good-enough

[Rusty Edge]

Ooops!

http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/02/there-goes-the-firewall-hillary-clintons-response.html

There Goes the Firewall: Hillary Clinton’s Response to BLM May Have Cost Her The Election

By Walker Bragman  |  February 26, 2016  |  11:38am

“I’m not a superpredator!” Ashley Williams, a young Black Lives Matter protester told Democratic presidential hopeful, Hillary Clinton—her confidence belied by a slight quiver in her voice.

Even when heckled by the mostly white crowd at a $500-per-plate campaign fundraiser dinner in conservative South Carolina, Williams held her ground. She faced down an evasive Clinton, demanding an explanation for racist remarks the former First Lady made in 1996, where she referred to inner-city, black youth as “super-predators” with “no conscience” and “no empathy.” “We need to bring them to heel” she explained.

At the time, Clinton was touting her husband’s “tough on crime” policies—specifically the Violent Crime Control Act of 1994—which imposed harsh punishments on a variety of nonviolent offenses, and is widely accepted as a driving force (though not the only force) behind the explosion of incarceration over the next decade. Black America was hit particularly hard.

After a tense confrontation, Clinton’s security detail physically removed the young woman who had paid $500 to deliver her message.


After she was gone, a visibly annoyed Clinton, seemingly unable to stop herself, turned to the crowd and said “Back to the issues…” not realizing she was on camera. She could not have made a more tone-deaf statement, especially given the name of movement she had just been confronted by.

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The article goes on to contrast Hillary's style of handling Black Lives Matter to Bernie's. It's full of images , too.

Everybody says that Hillary is on the verge of wrapping this up because we're moving to the southern states now and she does so much better with blacks.

Will they turn out for her after this circulates through social media?

I was looking at general election polls yesterday, to see the Kasich vs. Hillary numbers, and he's pretty strong. Around +8%

But I was also shocked to see that Bernie vs. Donald is about + 15% for Bernie. So in the battle of the outsiders the socialist stomps the real estate magnate. He's the sure thing for the Democratic party.

[Buster's Uncle]

They're tapping into similar wells of popular frustration in populist ways - the difference in their obvious sincerity and character being larger than the difference in their angles of attack, which is considerable.

[Rusty Edge]

They're tapping into similar wells of popular frustration in populist ways - the difference in their obvious sincerity and character being larger than the difference in their angles of attack, which is considerable.

Could you please rephrase this with fewer pronouns? I'm not sure who is Hillary/Bernie/the press/Black Lives Matter.

[Buster's Uncle]

It's in response to the very last part of your previous.

Sanders and the trashy real estate huckster are tapping into similar wells of popular frustration in populist ways - the difference in the Senator and the Pig's obvious sincerity and character being larger than the difference in their angles of attack, which is considerable.

[Rusty Edge]

That makes sense!
I thought you might have been referencing the Shrew with one of those pronouns.

[Buster's Uncle]

Nope - but I've been thinking for a while now that Sanders and the huckster were actually courting a lot of the same voters, for all the immense/profound difference in their styles.

There's something in there I want to say about what the Democrats, as a whole, have been doing wrong practically forever that's conceded the populist position to Republicans (who I think sell their base a bill of goods), but that goes into my racist sharecropper paternal grampa as background for my reasoning, running a bit long, and maybe later.

[Rusty Edge]

I saw a black panelist recently who said that everyone he knew was divided between [Sleezebag] and Sanders.


I figure it's a matter of both of them being spontaneous in a field of people with ghost written speeches, debate responses, and jokes, that have been pre-approved by their donors and focus -group tested and tweaked.

Well, Cruz doesn't quite fit the political mold. He's Princeton/Harvard, he's very smart, and he's very quick. Carson, too, but he's very measured, and sounds like he's well thought out, even when he's improvising. He's certainly no ordinary guy.

[Buster's Uncle]

I keep bringing up the time the mass media group mind tried to dean Mrs. Clinton during the cycle before last - when she got a little emotional up in New England talking to a woman about the state the country's in and all news ran it 24/7 for a week like she'd screwed up?  And then her poll numbers improved instead because it was non-stop coverage of her only sincere public moment since she first announced for Senate - remember?

If I had the job of coaching her, I would make her watch that clip, watch it again and again and discuss why it backfired on the idiot mass media group mind trying to generate a Howard Dean feeding frenzy over something trivial, and not let up until she got it.  She's fake and cold and calculating, and if she's really cold and calculating privately for real, okay, stop faking and go Spock in public -it worked for Bakrama- people want a lot of things in their leaders, but one of them is SMART.  Sell what you are, not what you think they want, and let your audience find you.  I need my president to run the country - I already have friends online.

Uno was in first, and right, about the Pig.  He's a show, and nothing but.  A trashy, no-class, racist, show, but possibly probably(!) even less sincere than Clinton.  He's selling flamboyant anger, almost a parody of Reagan - who proved there was an audience for that a very long time ago.  The Pig has always been a deliberately-outrageous act for the publicity, and all we really know about him is that he's a scumbag with women, and scumbag enough to act the way he does in public the last 30 years for the attention.  No telling WHAT his real political opinions are, if any.

Sanders is real, as far as I can tell, or BRILLIANT at faking very good personal integrity/character in the face of the pressures of campaigning and wanting badly to win.  This is not a comment on whether he's right or wrong about ANYthing he says or would do, but I think he's on the level in a way I've seen in no presidential candidate since Jimmy Carter 40 years ago - who carried honest to an actual fault.  (Sanders seems somewhat wiser about when to shut up or change the subject, in fact.  The President needs diplomatic skills beyond blunt honesty.)

[Rusty Edge]

Well, it's looking like Hillary is winning about 3 to 1 with most of the vote counted.

[Buster's Uncle]

[shrugs]  Not the outcome I wanted, but the one I expected...

I don't think the primary has EVER still been in contention when it got to North Carolina - but Bakrama the last time is the first I didn't turn out and lodge my protest vote; no one else to vote against him for.