US Presidential Contenders

[Green1]

She's the only politician I hate. I try to be up front about that.

Listen to/read her statements about her foolish private e-mail account. Mia Culpa? Apologize?  Neva! Hedge. Obfuscate. Trivialize. Joke.
Weasel. Weasel. Weasel.  The lawyer can't help herself.

She's no Truman Democrat.

No. She is an appeaser. She would have done better being like, "Okay.. I used that email for stuff. So what?"

Unfortunately, [Sleezebag] will crush her if it comes to him and her like I predict. And, I am not sure a [Sleezebag] future is going to be very cool for some...

[Buster's Uncle]

Only somewhat, I said, Rusty.  I look at the same things, and do see a weasel, but don't feel as strongly about it.

I went from loving her as First Lady -I'm sure you felt otherwise- to hating her as a senator, to thinking she did well with Secretary of State -  I think I put a finger on the last nicely at lunch just today; "she was Secretary of State while she was Secretary of State; not running for president."

Now, where I get REALLY down on her is personal loyalty.  The Pig might be a better friend to have -I said might- than her and her husband, who have created all their problems with professional Clinton haters by leaving a trail of broken, betrayed 'friends' behind them wherever they've gone for their entire political lives.  They'd throw you under a bus soon as look at you.  Nixon could have gotten away with everything if he hadn't shown the PERSONALLY admirable quality of loyalty to his people when he found out they'd done a bad thing.  Never happen to one of the Clintons - on a personal behavior level, they lose more points with me for that than he does for his inexcusable sexual acting out.  They are just no-good trash when it comes to rewarding loyalty with loyalty.

-But on the other hand, she did Nixon one better than the Checkers speech when she put Whitewater to bed as much as ever possible by going into a roomful of reports and answering questions until they ran. out. of. questions.

About. WHITEWATER.  I think you have to respect the balls to do that, and the virtuosity to make it work.

I do not like her personally, or her (weasel) style as a candidate - and devoutly wish she would go home.  Maybe try to set up as a political kingmaker/consultant grooming people like Elizabeth Warren and keep her hand in, but her mouth and face out.  But I'm not completely without respect for her.

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And Green - I swear my dog could give the Pig a good fight in the general.  People say lots to pollsters 16 months out; when it's time to vote, most want somebody qualified and smart, Cheney's mouthpiece notwithstanding - who wasn't elected anyway.  The Bosses want Jeb, besides, Mylochka says, and bets against the backroom boys are for suckers...

[Green1]

And Green - I swear my dog could give the Pig a good fight in the general.  People say lots to pollsters 16 months out; when it's time to vote, most want somebody qualified and smart, Cheney's mouthpiece notwithstanding - who wasn't elected anyway.  The Bosses want Jeb, besides, Mylochka says, and bets against the backroom boys are for suckers...

Not so sure. Some of the folks I call at work are VERY simple minded and actually would be with this guy. It is like a friggin Conservative zombie apocalypse with isolated pockets of sanity in my neck of the woods.

I will eat it, if wrong, though.

[Buster's Uncle]

He'll never be president.  He lost Rupert Murdock/Roger Ailes completely before the first debate, and made sure Murdock's mouthpieces will never forget it afterwards.  Too much power is arrayed against him, and a lot more money than he has.

He's the answer to a question no one asked: "I like Sara Palin's stubbornly proud shrill ignorance and utter lack of qualification or any inclination to EVER learn, but can we have a male version without any of the looks and even MORE annoying to hear talk, if that's even possible, please?"

[Rusty Edge]

Only somewhat, I said, Rusty.  I look at the same things, and do see a weasel, but don't feel as strongly about it.

I went from loving her as First Lady -I'm sure you felt otherwise- to hating her as a senator, to thinking she did well with Secretary of State -  I think I put a finger on the last nicely at lunch just today; "she was Secretary of State while she was Secretary of State; not running for president."

Now, where I get REALLY down on her is personal loyalty.  The Pig might be a better friend to have -I said might- than her and her husband, who have created all their problems with professional Clinton haters by leaving a trail of broken, betrayed 'friends' behind them wherever they've gone for their entire political lives.  They'd throw you under a bus soon as look at you.  Nixon could have gotten away with everything if he hadn't shown the PERSONALLY admirable quality of loyalty to his people when he found out they'd done a bad thing.  Never happen to one of the Clintons - on a personal behavior level, they lose more points with me for that than he does for his inexcusable sexual acting out.  They are just no-good trash when it comes to rewarding loyalty with loyalty.

-But on the other hand, she did Nixon one better than the Checkers speech when she put Whitewater to bed as much as ever possible by going into a roomful of reports and answering questions until they ran. out. of. questions.

About. WHITEWATER.  I think you have to respect the balls to do that, and the virtuosity to make it work.

I do not like her personally, or her (weasel) style as a candidate - and devoutly wish she would go home.  Maybe try to set up as a political kingmaker/consultant grooming people like Elizabeth Warren and keep her hand in, but her mouth and face out.  But I'm not completely without respect for her.

Uh ... generally agree that she tried to be Secretary of State. I think she applied herself, and did a better job than Albright. Mostly I think of that period as what I love most about Obama- he exiled Hillary so that I didn't have to see on tv every night as senate spokesperson.

I had a different take on that Whitewater press conference. She was insincere or deceitful with every thing she said. It was a PR stunt to her. I thought it was an insult to my intelligence, and turned it off in disgust in short order. So if you saw the whole thing, or even a substantial fraction of it, you know more about it than I do.

Bill might have done the same thing and convinced me, because he really wants me to like him, and sometimes I kinda do like him, even though I don't trust him. I suspect he tells her what to say when she gets in trouble, but it doesn't play so well because nobody's convinced she really cares about us and our approval.

Well... I've had a hard day. Got rear ended while sitting at a stop light on a long straight 50 mph road. We were about the 4th car in line at the light in the center lane. Didn't see him coming. Didn't hear brakes. Knocked us into the car ahead and terrorized some children in it. Lucky for them we were there to absorb the brunt of the impact. The offending driver had no insurance. We suspect texting.

I think I'm going to drink some rum or brandy, take a long hot shower, and maybe relax my aching neck and back. Thinking about her doesn't help. I'll drop the subject.

"The answer to the question no one asked" Ha- Ha -HA!

[Yitzi]

And Green - I swear my dog could give the Pig a good fight in the general.

Maybe in the Republican nomination too.  After all, your dog is clearly not phony, and has a much better personality than [Sleezebag]...

Unfortunately, your dog can't run for president...

[Buster's Uncle]

He IS smarter than her, at least...

He's the answer to another question no one asked "I love Governor Christie's low-class pettily-combative northern Joisy style, but he usually sounds like he knows what he's talking about; can we have a stupid version with even less good looks and NO class at all?"

[Buster's Uncle]

I like Sara Palin's stubbornly proud shrill ignorance and utter lack of qualification or any inclination to EVER learn

I really try to be a fair person, so I want to say something positive and true about Mrs. Palin:  her finest moment, as far as I'm aware, was the vice presidential debate with Biden - when she walked over to greet him at the beginning, looking all tiny and wasp-waisted in her dark dress, BTW, and asked him "Is okay if I call you Joe?" - I don't think she knew the mics would catch that, and it was pure adorable charm and win.  She also kinda sorta won that debate, benefitting from very low expectations, by not humiliating herself.  She had a good night that night.

(Biden actually has some of the same/simular strengths and weaknesses as Palin, but on an entirely different level as a politician/public servant, and going the distance with him was a real accomplishment.)

I also have to walk back something I said about her the week after the election: "The silly [censored] is already running for president."  -Turns out that she didn't really know just what she was running for -running for (the anti) Oprah, if anything- but did figure out at some point that her celebrity was a bully pulpit for her political beliefs, but that she was in way over her head as a candidate/office-holder at any substantial level, or she'd have actually run for some office since.  -So, some points for that.

[Dio]

I like Sara Palin's stubbornly proud shrill ignorance and utter lack of qualification or any inclination to EVER learn

I really try to be a fair person, so I want to say something positive and true about Mrs. Palin:  her finest moment, as far as I'm aware, was the vice presidential debate with Biden - when she walked over to greet him at the beginning, looking all tiny and wasp-waisted in her dark dress, BTW, and asked him "Is okay if I call you Joe?" - I don't think she knew the mics would catch that, and it was pure adorable charm and win.  She also kinda sorta won that debate, benefitting from very low expectations, by not humiliating herself.  She had a good night that night.

(Biden actually has some of the same/simular strengths and weaknesses as Palin, but on an entirely different level as a politician/public servant, and going the distance with him was a real accomplishment.)

I also have to walk back something I said about her the week after the election: "The silly [censored] is already running for president."  -Turns out that she didn't really know just what she was running for -running for (the anti) Oprah, if anything- but did figure out at some point that her celebrity was a bully pulpit for her political beliefs, but that she was in way over her head as a candidate/office-holder at any substantial level, or she'd have actually run for some office since.  -So, some points for that.

The words on those shirts have a potential interpretation to me that might vary from other individuals on this forum.

[Buster's Uncle]

Ohmygod!  Like, what?

I assume it's some Alaska reference to the Wasilla area...

[Dio]

Ohmygod!  Like, what?

I assume it's some Alaska reference to the Wasilla area...

I was thinking about the term "Valley Girls" plus trash except as you might find it in Alaska . . .

[Buster's Uncle]

Totally?

-I have no idea what those bimbos actually say these days.

[Rusty Edge]

Ohmygod!  Like, what?

I assume it's some Alaska reference to the Wasilla area...

From Urban Dictionary-
Valley Trash

The term that Alaskan State Senator Ben Stevens called a residents of the Matanuska-Susitna valley in southern Alaska who was criticizing his vague explanations for taking consulting fees from an oil field-services company in 2004.


“Your just more valley trash” sic

From Wikipedia-

In July 2004, Stevens responded to a critical e-mail from a constituent with the comment, "Your [sic] just more valley trash," setting off a minor controversy among residents of the Matanuska-Susitna Valley, including former Wasilla mayor (and future Alaska Governor) Sarah Palin.[3] "Proud to Be Valley Trash" became a slogan among Mat-Su Valley residents, and Palin was photographed wearing a t-shirt with the slogan during her successful 2006 campaign for Governor of Alaska.
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Ben Stevens is the sons of Ted Stevens- who was the longest serving Republican in US Senate history. Seniority begets power, and power corrupts. The Anchorage Airport had his name on it while he was still alive.

[Buster's Uncle]

Interesting.  I used that photo unfairly out of context without knowing, then.

It's still funny.

[Rusty Edge]

I Like Alaska. More than Disney World.
I like Sarah. I knew about her before the rest of the country did. Not as a national politician or political analyst, but as somebody I'd enjoy fishing with, or discussing a hunt, or touring Alaska.

That's it! I would pay good money for an Alaska tour on which she was the hostess.