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[Buster's Uncle]

Are we all comfortable with my observation that there are people in this world better off not in this world and the world better off without?  Unforgivably bad people are a thing.

But here's where I am on what to do with them: I'm not throwing the switch, and ethically, I may not ask anyone to do it for me - or condone having it done on my behalf.

Also what Rusty said.  The gub'ment not only wants to make us slaves, it's a bloodthirsty mega mass murderer with no intention of ever. stopping. killing.  Governments are that way, along with the inevitable bureaucracy and oppression; it's only a matter of when, not if, they get carried away.

So I say no.  But I say it with much reservation and regret.

But we are wealthy enough, strong enough, and moral enough to lock the animals away and treat them better than they deserve while they wait to die of old age.

That's where I stand on the death penalty.

[Rusty Edge]

It's rather political, stemming from Walker's ( can we call it extreme?) position on abortion.
It also kinda weaves into the county clerk from Kentucky who was just released from jail today, in the presence of Mike Huckabee and Cruz ( I think ). Her lawyer is asserting that the marriage licenses issued in her absence are invalid. The Governor says the opposite.

Her supporters claim it's a matter of religious freedom.

If a county clerk were denying marriage licenses to all women without Birkas, because they offended the clerk's religious beliefs, would the same people support her?

Or would they say the clerk was abusing their office to impose their religious beliefs upon the public, in clear violation of the non-establishment clause of the First Amendment?

[Lorizael]

Are we all comfortable with my observation that there are people in this world better off not in this world and the world better off without?  Unforgivably bad people are a thing.

Absolutely not. It's quite possible there are people we don't currently have the resources/expertise to make net positives to society, but that's as far as I'll go. Forgiveness and evil and all that jazz are not things I think the government should have any hand in.

[Buster's Uncle]

That's a respectable/moral stance.

It's rather political, stemming from Walker's ( can we call it extreme?) position on abortion.
It also kinda weaves into the county clerk from Kentucky who was just released from jail today, in the presence of Mike Huckabee and Cruz ( I think ). Her lawyer is asserting that the marriage licenses issued in her absence are invalid. The Governor says the opposite.

Her supporters claim it's a matter of religious freedom.

If a county clerk were denying marriage licenses to all women without Birkas, because they offended the clerk's religious beliefs, would the same people support her?

Or would they say the clerk was abusing their office to impose their religious beliefs upon the public, in clear violation of the non-establishment clause of the First Amendment?

Depends on whether they love America and its principals.  Cruz and Huckabee claim they do, but they don't seem to love the Constitution of the United States of America - and it's far from just them, in the last 15 years.  It's a package deal, knuckleheads.

[Buster's Uncle]

Wait; I gotta repeat that, with SFX for due emphasis:


America and its Constitution: It's a package deal, knuckleheads.

Released into the public domain; start printing those bumperstickers now.

Nazis get SO mad when you use their own language against them.

[Unorthodox]

But we are wealthy enough

STRONGLY disagree on this particular point.  When we curb homelessness and hunger, I'll agree we're wealthy enough to house and feed criminals for their entire life.  Till then, I'll favor spending that money elsewhere and throwing the switch.  As for who gets to throw it, I'd place odds you could raffle that honor off to help pay for court costs. 

[Buster's Uncle]

I cannot condone that.

And we aren't failing to cure homelessness and hunger because we're skint.  We can afford it, all right.

[Unorthodox]

I cannot condone that.

Most can't.  Well aware I'm odd.  I've long had the ability to separate my emotions on things of this nature, or pretty much whenever I need to. 

And we aren't failing to cure homelessness and hunger because we're skint.  We can afford it, all right.

Believe it when I see it. 

[Buster's Uncle]

Hey hey HEY!  Slow down a second there, Tex.  I never said we WOULD.

[Rusty Edge]

Here's the more SMAC appropriate version-

[Buster's Uncle]

America and its Constitution: It's a package deal, knuckleheads.

[Buster's Uncle]

I believe I'll post this on stupid Facebook and see if I can't start something...

[Buster's Uncle]

PATRIOTISM


Ideas have unshakeable power, so share this as hard as you can share.

This country has STOOD for some noble and wonderful ideas, been a light of democracy to the world, and we've made commendable progress in grappling with our collective shortcomings with prejudice and related unfairness in my lifetime. 

-But we took a very wrong, un-American, track 14 years ago, and haven't ruptured ourselves getting off it since.  Torture isn't the American way.  Indefinite imprisonment without due process isn't the American way.  Surveilling citizens, discriminating against citizens, killing citizens - it's just wrong.  We are rich and we are strong -and we used to STAND for something- and we don't NEED to spoil a good thing stooping to those measures.

It's just not the American Way; and if you love America, you shouldn't condone it.  You should not SIT STILL for it.  YOU SHOULD NOT STAY SILENT IN THE FACE OF BIGOTS AND TYRANTS who only THINK they love America.


DO YOUR DUTY, AMERICANS.

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[Buster's Uncle]

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I'd like to do more versions with 'love its Ideals' (-Liberty- -Equality- -Freedoms- etc), but that starts making it too easy to pervert to the opposite of my meaning; I'm not about to feed the Statists -and their ignorant dupes- who are the problem.

[Yitzi]

I believe I'll post this on stupid Facebook and see if I can't start something...

Best of all, conservatives are just as likely, if not more so, to embrace it as liberals are.