US Presidential Contenders

[vonbach]

[That would be the Perot party, which [Sleezebag] was also involved in, and which came to nothing, not least because the guy spearheading didn't display a lot of interest in anything beyond his own candidacy.  [Sleezebag] at the top would be even worse.

It's possible, God help us, to agree with [Sleezebag]'s positions and still believe he's a horrible [feminine washing]decent people should have nothing to do with, ]


I'm uncertain I care who wins honestly. But I want to see the Republican party filled with cuckservative Rhino traitors
destroyed and a real conservative party put in its place. [Sleezebag] is an unrepentant Alpha male and its the reason he's hated so much
and he might be the one to finally break the two party system.

[PLATO]

It's possible, God help us, to agree with [Sleezebag]'s positions and still believe he's a horrible [feminine washing]decent people should have nothing to do with, let alone vote for.

I think this will sum up [Sleezebag]'s candidacy quite well.

[Rusty Edge]

I'm uncertain I care who wins honestly. But I want to see the Republican party filled with cuckservative Rhino traitors
destroyed and a real conservative party put in its place. [Sleezebag] is an unrepentant Alpha male and its the reason he's hated so much
and he might be the one to finally break the two party system.

Who else, as examples, would you see in this new Real Conservative party?

[vonbach]

Who else, as examples, would you see in this new Real Conservative party?

Someone thats actually conservative would be nice. Someone that doesn't
get on his knees and bow and scrape every time some minority says they are offended
would be nice too.

Everyone conservative pundit is right: [Sleezebag] is not a "real conservative." He doesn't have much in the way of concrete policy positions. He's donated heavily to Democrats. His position on immigration seems to be, "Build a wall, kick them all out, then let them back in." In my opinion, he'd be a lousy President. But he doesn't bow and scrape. And Republican voters are looking at the looming wreckage of the country, and they've had it with bowing and scraping.

The base doesn't want someone to apologize to liberals for not being feminist enough. They want someone to attack our accusers. And every single time [Sleezebag] has been attacked from the left he responds with verbal sucker-punches. At any given point, he always seems about a muscle spasm away from grabbing his attacker by the hair and pounding his face into the table until it's a mess of blood, teeth, and tears. This is like a breath of fresh air to everyone who has watched John Boehner weep and mince about for the last few years. [Sleezebag] did all but call Megyn Kelly a hysterical [complaint or disagreeable woman] who needs to go back to the kitchen. That made him stronger. Attacking him for offending the sacred precepts of feminism doesn't hurt him because that's what we want.

In other words, we don't want someone with all of his policy ducks laid in a row so much as we just want someone to punch back twice as hard. At this point, the only way for any other candidate to get on [Sleezebag]'s level is to call Jon Stewart a smug, self-righteous, dishonest sonofabitch on live TV to his face.

This is an excerpt form an article I found. It really sums up Trumps popularity in a nutshell.
Basically it boils down to he has a spine and testosterone.

[Geo]

And someone like that should have access to nuclear weapons?

[Buster's Uncle]

No.

Schooling von is, obviously, not going to happen overnight.  I used to be like him, and finding a better balance has taken me the rest of my life.

[Rusty Edge]

Okay, that was actually informative.

So the idea that nobody else is talking about immigration comes from people who don't trust politicians or the media, and don't pay much attention to either. There's an internal logic to that.

[Rusty Edge]

I found this in my SPAM folder. Rand sends me appeals for money. I think it's because I once donated to his father's campaign.





"Don't Fall for a Fake Conservative
Sen. Rand Paul, August 10, 2015

 I ran for office because I was tired of being misled by Republicans who promised conservative government and gave us bank bailouts and more debt. The Wall Street bankers got richer and the American taxpayer got poorer.

 The Tea Party erupted over dissatisfaction with false conservatives. It amazes me that anyone in the Tea Party movement could possibly consider Clinton/Reid/Pelosi supporter Donald [Sleezebag] for President.

 I honestly have no idea what Mr. [Sleezebag]'s real philosophy is. He was liberal before he was conservative, and has openly professed for decades that his views are those of a Democrat.

 In 1990, he said if he ever ran for office, he'd do better as a Democrat. He became an independent briefly in 1999 before he switched back to registering as a Democrat. In 2004, he identified more of his beliefs as those of a Democrat, especially on economic policy, stating on CNN that, "it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans." He only registered as a Republican in 2009 before dropping the party again in 2011, only to re-register in 2012.

 This is a guy who said in 1999 that he was a strong supporter of the United Nations. He was for partial birth abortion before he was against it. He lavished praise on the bank bailouts. He was for Obamacare before he was against it and has said he's "liberal on health care."

 In the debate, I reminded [Sleezebag] that conservatives in the GOP have spent decades opposing a single-payer system like the socialized medicine of Canada and England. He responded that I hadn't heard his answer. The problem is, I had heard his answer and, like many of his answers, it made absolutely no sense. What I heard was that he was once for a single-payer system-today, he's against Obamacare but still kind of likes the concept of single-payer and isn't sure it works.

 No conservative in America supports a single-payer government-run healthcare system, and yet around 25 percent of Republicans seem to favor [Sleezebag]. How can this be possible? How can a quarter of the GOP support a guy who was a Republican, then an Independent, then a Democrat, and then a Republican again?

 Are conservatives really willing to gamble about what Donald [Sleezebag] really believes in?

 It is refreshing to hear someone speak truth to power, to transcend Washington-speak, and cut through the staidness of our politically correct world but not when it is all blather, non-sequitur, and self-aggrandizing bombast.

 Donald [Sleezebag] is showing he isn't suited to lead the country, and I think we all need to discuss why.

 Frankly, it sounds too much like he is someone used to bullying to get his way. What do you do to a bully? You stand up to him. That's what I did on the debate stage, and I was the only one.

 The only one to tell Donald [Sleezebag] that if he is willing to possibly give the election to Hillary, he shouldn't be on the stage. That should be our first and uniting principle.

 We don't need a bully, and we don't need another President who thinks he is King. We certainly don't need someone who has driven his companies into bankruptcy four times yet smugly tells us he uses our nation's Chapter 11 laws to his own personal advantage. All well and good for him - but what of the creditors and vendors he defaulted on?

 Voters are hungry for a plain-spoken critique of Washington. But I'm unsure how credible that voice is when it comes from the consummate insider, a man who buys and sells politicians like he does Lamborghinis.

 [Sleezebag] has paid over 1.5 million dollars to politicians from both sides of the aisle, from Harry Reid to Rahm Emanuel to Jeb Bush. The majority of his donations were to Democrats until a few years ago when he began thinking more seriously of making a play for the Republican nomination.

 (For the record, Donald [Sleezebag] has never donated to any of my political campaigns, perhaps because he knows I can't be bought. He has donated to an eye institute that sponsored the medical mission I took to Guatemala where the funding was directly spent on our surgical work restoring sight to over 200 men and women.)

 He has, however, put a significant down payment on Hillary Clinton-at least a $100,000 investment in the Clinton "Foundation" in addition to repeated donations to her campaigns-and acknowledges he spoke to Bill Clinton before he decided to pursue the Republican nomination. What kind of access was he purchasing?

 I asked him in the debate why he's hedging his bets. If he doesn't win the GOP nomination will he support Clinton? Will he run as a third party candidate? Ross Perot gave us Bill Clinton. Will [Sleezebag] give us Hillary Clinton?

 Why give so much money to both sides?

 That's the problem with the system. Big Government and Big Business get in bed together, and the ordinary taxpayer ends up with the short end of the stick while our country is driven deeper into debt.

 I for one don't think you should run for President if you believe what [Sleezebag] says about money in politics: "When you give, they do whatever the hell you want them to do."

 Isn't this buying and selling what's wrong with Washington?

 Bill Clinton is under fire for accepting donations and high speaking fees from foreign governments while Hillary served as Secretary of State. I think it's despicable that politicians like Hillary sell access. But isn't it equally despicable for people like [Sleezebag] to buy access?

 It makes me sad to think that Tea Party awakening could be hijacked or hoodwinked by a guy who supported the bank bailouts, supported Obamacare, and continues to support the Clintons.

 I was there at the first Tea Party in 2007 and I'll be damned if I'm going to stand passively by and watch the movement destroyed by a fake conservative. I will stand up to anyone, Republican or Democrat, who tries to use government as their own personal piggy bank and I won't be bought or sold.

 I will run this race on issues important to the American people. Unlike [Sleezebag], I have serious, specific proposals for the largest tax cut in American history and a five-year balanced budget. I offer real solutions to defeat the Washington Machine like ending corporate welfare, term limits and forcing Congress to read the bills.

 We owe the American people substantive answers like that, not bluster and bombast. I plan to stand up to anyone who doesn't have the temperament or ideas to be President. Maybe it's time for the GOP voters to tell Mr. [Sleezebag] he's fired so we can find a serious candidate who will bring real change."

[Buster's Uncle]

I enjoyed that.

-Rusty, I should tell you that I think Rand is George Jr. to his dad's Real George Bush...

[Rusty Edge]

I enjoyed that.

-Rusty, I should tell you that I think Rand is George Jr. to his dad's Real George Bush...

Both Elders were selfless patriots compared to the egos of the sons. Dr.Rand is nobody's dummy, but he doesn't have that Bush touch of making everybody be your friend.

I like having Rand around to raise questions, especially when it comes to the Constitution that all of the elected officials are sworn to preserve, protect, and defend.

[vonbach]

Schooling von is, obviously, not going to happen overnight

Heh. Thats funny I'm thinking the same thing about most of the people here.

[Buster's Uncle]

...I have a lot of admiration/respect for Dr. Paul, for all that I think he's a crank and usually wrong.  He had the integrity and political courage to stand up against the 2nd Oil Crusade and the corporate police state fascism when it was VERY unpopular to do so - something I will always also admire Dennis Kucinich and Keith Olbermann (two fellows, in descending order, I also have reservations about) for doing.  -I know of NO ONE else in those years on their level of celebrity and power regularly shouting "NO!" as the ignorant majority of us were marching in lockstep into a Nazi hell, brandishing little flags tied to our car antennas.  Free beer for those gentlemen -and man-child Olbermann- for life, I say.

Rand strikes me as the answer to the question "I LOVE Ron Paul's fringe status and unworkable political philosophy - but can I have a populist version w/o all the honesty and guts?  Not quite as bright a plus. "

I know you're Libertarian, Rust, and he probably is as close as you're going to get in our lifetime, but lil' Rand strikes me as just a Reagan Republican occasionally throwing on Daddy's robes and claiming to be Jedi Grand Master when he's really only a common Sith.

[Rusty Edge]

I know you're Libertarian, Rust, and he probably is as close as you're going to get in our lifetime, but lil' Rand strikes me as just a Reagan Republican occasionally throwing on Daddy's robes and claiming to be Jedi Grand Master when he's really only a common Sith.

HA! HA! I suppose he is as close as I'm likely to get. Well, I do enjoy hearing him say- 
* If it were necessary to go to war he would ask Congress for a Declaration.
* Congress should be required to read a bill before voting on it.
* The Federal Reserve should be audited.
* End Corporate welfare.


Gotta share this, because it ties into some things we've spoken about before-


"I believe that every American has a constitutionally guaranteed right to privacy which must be protected. Simply put, the phone records of law-abiding Americans are none of the government's business!

If the government has probable cause that an individual is a criminal or suspected terrorist, than they must first go to a judge and obtain a warrant as required by the Fourth Amendment. Mr. Verizon, Mr. Sprint, and Mr. AT&T are not individuals and "general warrants" which authorize this dragnet surveillance on millions of Americans violate the very intent of the Fourth Amendment. Simply owning a cell-phone does not mean you forfeit your constitutional rights. From your phone records, the government can discern the most intimate details of your life--whether you smoke, whether you gamble, what books you read, what magazines you read, whether you see a psychiatrist, or what medications you take. This domestic NSA spying is simply not acceptable in a free society.

As President of the United States, I will immediately end the NSA's illegal bulk data collection and domestic spying programs and protect the Fourth Amendment rights of all Americans. We must remember that our rights are unlimited, unenumerated, and given to us by God. Your rights are who you are, your rights are what you are, your rights are in your DNA – and the government can get over it."

None of that reminds me of a Reagan Republican, but I see where you are coming from. I've got plenty of problems with him on issues.

Maybe I'll post about a couple of the other candidates for a change of pace.

[Rusty Edge]

I think I'll vote for a third party candidate.

Perhaps you'll see [Sleezebag] there, too!

[Dio]

Schooling von is, obviously, not going to happen overnight

Heh. Thats funny I'm thinking the same thing about most of the people here.

If I am reading the context behind this post correctly, than vonbach is calling most of us undereducated   .