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[Rusty Edge]

And another thing. Hillary is rationalizing her defeat with the idea that it was all FBI Director Comey's fault. Well, it's gotta be hard to accept that tens of millions of people dislike you.

I watched a woman tonight explain it all away with Comey, Misogony, and the Russian conspiracy. That's the only way you could bring down anyone as awesome as candidate Hillary with an equally awesome organization.

Somehow this made me smile, thinking that the Democrats are doomed to remain in political purgatory for an extended period. It was all beyond their control. Not their fault that the GOP turned out more voters with less money in the big battleground states. Not their fault that Hillary tried to cheat Bernie in the primaries and silence his delegates at the convention. Not their fault that Hillary didn't deal with the e-mails head on a year ago. Not their fault that she lied & obfuscated when she did talk about it. Not their fault that they chose the only candidate who could unite the fractured Republicans. Not their fault that they got caught colluding with the press, or getting debate questions ahead of time.
Not their fault that the Democratic Party is no longer the pro-peace party. Not their fault Millennials didn't trust them.

Yeah. Not their fault. Nothing they could have done differently. I'm sure that Gary and Jill can shoulder the rest of the blame.

[Unorthodox]

Not their fault that Hillary didn't deal with the e-mails head on a year ago.

And how do you suggest she handle that any differently?  Seriously. 

[E_T]

Still sounds like the Dems are taking a trip on a major African River system...

Boo boo hoo, wine, whimper, cry....

[Rusty Edge]

Not their fault that Hillary didn't deal with the e-mails head on a year ago.

And how do you suggest she handle that any differently?  Seriously.

Simply put, always tell the truth, and anything that will come out eventually should come out immediately. Embrace the Truman motto- "The buck stops here". Confession and forgiveness- it's the Christian way. 

[Unorthodox]

Not their fault that Hillary didn't deal with the e-mails head on a year ago.

And how do you suggest she handle that any differently?  Seriously.

Simply put, always tell the truth, and anything that will come out eventually should come out immediately. Embrace the Truman motto- "The buck stops here". Confession and forgiveness- it's the Christian way. 

Oh, well lets see. 

She couldn't just release everything BECAUSE THE STATE DEPARTMENT WANTED TO SEE THEM BEFORE SHE DID.  The state department drug their feet with the reclassifications, sure.  That's not on her.  But it would have been far worse if she just released it all and the state department then found the 200ish emails they reclassified.  In fact, she'd actually be in jail had she just turned it all over without handing it over for screening first. 

As for the truth, where has she lied in regard to the emails?  She said there was no wrong doing.

Several billion dollars and an investigation later, guess what.  They've found nothing.  In fact, if you read the FBI report, THEY SAID SHE WAS FOLLOWING STATE DEPARTMENT PROTOCOL while the FBI finds that protocol not up to standard.  (but then again, the standard is unrealistic for the state department, but that's a whole other discussion)

But no, we need MORE investigation. 


I dislike her for a host of reasons.  But having been in a similar investigation, THERE IS NOTHING TO SEE HERE MOVE ALONG. 


But the Republican committee keeps on this witch hunt.  Hint: She weighs more than a duck. 

[Buster's Uncle]

What he said.

Also -and I'll never stop repeating this- the right-wing conspiracy has cried wolf on the Clintons so many times that only a fool listens to pretty much any try that surfaces.  This is, and always was, chump-change of a "scandal" that no one else -but her husband and Bakrama- would have anyone trying to make anything of.  Old gov hacks are simply incompetent with computers.

[Rusty Edge]

Having  just criticized her for not learning from her mistakes, I'd be a fool to disregard the lessons from my own , which include
NEVER ARGUE WITH UNO.

[Buster's Uncle]

Yep.  No percentage in it even when he's wrong.

[Rextraos]

It's nice to know others share my sentiments.

[Unorthodox]

Having  just criticized her for not learning from her mistakes, I'd be a fool to disregard the lessons from my own , which include
NEVER ARGUE WITH UNO.

You do demonstrate how effectively the republicans controlled the narrative over that whole situation though.  Like it or not, public perception is there is something wrong with that email scenario.  And, yes, Comey violated protocol when he publicly announced the new emails being found days before the election.  Chaffetz was going to announce it anyway, so it theoretically would have been worse had Comey himself stayed quiet, Republicans would have just said it was evidence of Hillary silencing the FBI. 

Republicans purposely kept the email thing going to use in this election.  Nicely done. 

We'll see how fast they get on [Sleezebag]'s potential conflicts of interest. 

[Rusty Edge]

You do demonstrate how effectively the republicans controlled the narrative over that whole situation though.  Like it or not, public perception is there is something wrong with that email scenario.

We'll see how fast they get on T rump's potential conflicts of interest.

Thing is, nothing re-enforces that perception so much as Bill meeting the Attorney General and shooing away the press so that they could "talk about their grandchildren". They both should have known better. That was the root of irregularity. To be fair, she never could control Bill.


I think I need to start a Conflict of Interest thread for the [Sleezebag] family, and let this thread go.

[E_T]

Having  just criticized her for not learning from her mistakes, I'd be a fool to disregard the lessons from my own , which include
NEVER ARGUE WITH UNO.

You do demonstrate how effectively the republicans controlled the narrative over that whole situation though.  Like it or not, public perception is there is something wrong with that email scenario.  And, yes, Comey violated protocol when he publicly announced the new emails being found days before the election.  Chaffetz was going to announce it anyway, so it theoretically would have been worse had Comey himself stayed quiet, Republicans would have just said it was evidence of Hillary silencing the FBI. 

Or the Democratic Obama administration doing it for her. 

Republicans purposely kept the email thing going to use in this election.  Nicely done. 

We'll see how fast they get on T rump's potential conflicts of interest.

The problem, is that there was no other way, due to the timing of this, than to do what was done.   Or did he circumvent the process and jump ahead?

The thing is, the deed is done.  T rump won even though this was the lowest turnout in history.

Did both parties have candidates that were extremely flawed and greatly disliked?  Yes.
Is the process that brought them both to the forefront is also flawed as well as in need of reform? Yes.

THAT is the discussion that needs to be in the forefront in the next several months.

[Unorthodox]

The problem, is that there was no other way, due to the timing of this, than to do what was done.   Or did he circumvent the process and jump ahead?

As far as Comey, FBI policy = open investigations are supposed to work like fight club.  YOU DON'T SAY A PEEP.

In this case the republican committee was going to anyway, I don't blame the guy for speaking up first.  He was screwed either way. 

The thing is, the deed is done.  T rump won even though this was the lowest turnout in history.

I do not blame Comey or the emails for the election.  Hillary is unlikeable for a host of reasons. 

I do think the email thing is one of the biggest wastes of taxpayer money and the republican committee only pursued it for political purposes.  That disturbs me, and is why the email thing is about the only thing on the election you'll get me to speak with any passion about.  Unfortunately, my state re-elected the ass running the damn thing. 

[Spacy]

OK, election is over.  Everybody lost. 

But, one thing I have done with each president as they entered, and exited office, since Reagan, was at the begging of their election (or at re-election) they made a lot of campaign promises. 

At the end, you can see how well they did.

Reagan did OK. 
Bush Sr, Clinton, and Bush Jr all sucked.

I cannot find my Obama "promises" list, however. 

[Rusty Edge]

Obama? Close Gitmo ( didn't ) Healthcare reform (did) Get out of Iraq ( did temporarily) Punish the banks & bankers (failed) .

[Sleezebag]- Build the wall at Mexico's expense, remove the illegal Mexicans, keep the Muslims out, eradicate ISIS immediately, cancel & renegotiate our treaties, and bring back jobs, particularly coal. 

Is that fair?