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Offline Spacy

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1965 on: August 30, 2016, 11:25:47 PM »
Heard on NPR on the way to work this mornign that T is almost even with HC on a national average (within 3%), but that specific demographics are obviously heavy one or another.  Don't know where they got their numbers from though, it was just a quick 5 second blurb. 
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Offline Rusty Edge

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1966 on: August 31, 2016, 05:48:38 AM »
Numbers vary, but the race does appear to be tightening.
Hillary has been fund raising/ debate prepping/ resting.... and allowing [Sleezebag] to dominate the news, which was working in her favor, at least until the Clinton Foundation stuff came to light.

The analysis sees two shifts to explain the tightening of the popular vote - 1) Recently deciding independents moving towards [Sleezebag]. 2) Millennials shifting from Hillary to Johnson.

Offline Rusty Edge

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1967 on: August 31, 2016, 07:40:24 AM »
GLEANINGS-

*[Sleezebag] is doing a fund raiser in CA Wednesday morning, meeting with the Mexican president in Mexico, and then having his big immigration policy speech in AZ in the evening. Will [Sleezebag] use his famed negotiation skills to get Mexico to pay for the wall and get them to build it on their side of the rivers? Who knows? If he does I'll be impressed, and if he doesn't he's a fraud. Believe me.

* Johnson is coming to my city for a rally Thursday, I just volunteered to help, so maybe I'll have something to share later.

* Former Models for Donald [Sleezebag]'s Agency Say They Violated Immigration Rules and Worked Illegally
"It's like modern-day slavery."
James West Aug. 30, 2016 12:07 PM
-model-management-illegal-immigration]http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-[Sleezebag]-model-management-illegal-immigration  This seems to be the original source.

*Hillary still has a good battleground electoral college lead. North Carolina is still up for grabs, but she seems to have the rest of them under control, and a Republican needs 2 out of  these three- FLA, PA, and OH. I don't think a Republican has ever won without Ohio.

Offline E_T

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1968 on: August 31, 2016, 12:54:54 PM »
You know, with the two major candidates already being 'read in' to some classified things, I wonder if Johnson is included in that, too...

Come to think of it, [Sleezebag]'s flip flop might be due to the very harsh reality that he is getting from the taste of classified info that he is learning now...
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Offline Rusty Edge

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1969 on: August 31, 2016, 06:25:31 PM »
You know, with the two major candidates already being 'read in' to some classified things, I wonder if Johnson is included in that, too...

Come to think of it, T rump's flip flop might be due to the very harsh reality that he is getting from the taste of classified info that he is learning now...

I don't think so. I probably would have read about when it happened, I did with the other two.

As for [Sleezebag]... don't know if it's the new handlers, or the security briefing, or as some say, the cost.  Say what you will, the man knows the value of a billion dollars. I think an economic argument would have gotten through first.  We'll have a better sense of it tonight.

Offline Rusty Edge

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1970 on: August 31, 2016, 10:43:57 PM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zoltan-istvan/no-matter-who-you-vote-fo_1_b_11787040.html

Hardware challenges! Basically an op-ed about why Johnson deserves inclusion in the debates.

Offline Rusty Edge

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1971 on: September 01, 2016, 06:08:49 AM »
-immigration-speech/]http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/31/politics/donald-[Sleezebag]-immigration-speech/

[Sleezebag]: 'There will be no amnesty'
By Jeremy Diamond, CNN


Phoenix (CNN) — Donald [Sleezebag] on Wednesday stated clearly there would be "no amnesty" for undocumented immigrants living in the US, putting to rest questions about whether he was softening his stance on the issue that's driven much of his campaign.

"For those here illegally today who are seeking legal status, they will have one route and one route only. To return home and apply for re-entry like everybody else under the rules of the new legal immigration system that I have outlined today," the Republican presidential nominee said.

He added: "There will be no amnesty."

"People will know that you can't just smuggle in, hunker down and wait to be legalized -- it's not going to work that way. Those days are over," [Sleezebag] said.

Mexican president disputes [Sleezebag] over border wall payment discussion

He did not commit to deporting every undocumented immigrant living in the US as he previously had, but vowed that immigrants living in the US illegally would never have a path to legal status under his presidency.

[Sleezebag]'s hardline speech on illegal immigration contrasted strikingly with his tone in Mexico hours earlier.

He vowed to deliver "the truth" about illegal immigration as he began to lay out his policy proposals to remedy the the US immigration system, which he argued "is worse than anybody ever realized."

"If we're going to make our immigration system work, then we have to be prepared to talk honestly and without fear about these important and very sensitive issues," [Sleezebag] said.

He added: "It's our right as a sovereign nation to choose immigrants that we think are the likeliest to thrive and flourish and love us."

He also pledged his administration would enforce a "zero tolerance" policy toward criminal undocumented immigrants.

"Day one, my first hour in office, those people are gone," [Sleezebag] said of undocumented immigrants who have committed crimes in the US.

[Sleezebag] vowed to create a "deportation task force" within the Immigration and Customs Enforcement division "focused on identifying and quickly removing the most dangerous criminal illegal aliens in America."

"Maybe they'll be able to deport her," [Sleezebag] said, joking the task force could deport his Democratic rival, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Just hours after meeting with the Mexican president, [Sleezebag] reasserted his pledge to build a wall along the US-Mexico border and force Mexico to pay for the wall.

"Mexico will pay for the wall. 100%. They don't know it yet but they're going to pay for the wall," [Sleezebag] said as his supporters roared.

The many versions of a Donald [Sleezebag] meeting

The wall, [Sleezebag] said, will be "beautiful" and "impenetrable," and will include high-tech technologies to prevent illegal border crossings.

[Sleezebag] also vowed that any undocumented immigrants who are caught crossing into the US will be "detained until they are removed from our country" and sent back to their country of origin.

The speech was expected to lay out a range of policy prescriptions to stem the tide of illegal immigration and follows a week during which [Sleezebag] and his campaign publicly wrestled with how to handle the more than 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the US.

It's an especially fraught moment for the Republican nominee because he surged to victory in the primaries with hardline rhetoric against illegal immigration, including a pledge to deport all undocumented immigrants. But he appears poised to strike a more moderate tone that could appeal to suburban white voters in the general election without alienating his base.

[Sleezebag] began his week of public handwringing on the issue by vowing last Monday that he was "not flip-flopping" on immigration, but that he was looking to "come up with a fair but firm process."

The next day, he told Fox News' Sean Hannity that "there could certainly be a softening" of his deportation policy and suggested his administration would "work with" undocumented immigrants, rather than deport them -- which would mark a major flip-flop. But two days later, he told CNN's Anderson Cooper that he would offer "no path to legalization" and suggested deportation was back on the table.

Meanwhile, his campaign scrapped plans for [Sleezebag] to deliver his immigration speech last Thursday in the battleground state of Colorado and then dismissed reports [Sleezebag] speak on immigration Wednesday in Phoenix, until [Sleezebag] tweeted he would in fact deliver the speech there.

Democrats have seized on [Sleezebag]'s refusal to disavow his mass deportation plan, while [Sleezebag]'s most right-wing supporters have struggled to save face amid the real estate mogul's waffling. And some moderate Republicans have cautiously embraced [Sleezebag]'s apparent tone shift.

[Sleezebag] did not tip his hand Wednesday as he spoke alongside Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto following their meeting.

[Sleezebag] stressed the need to secure the US-Mexico border with a "physical wall," but did not signal whether he still favors deporting all undocumented immigrants living in the US.

[Sleezebag] also said that while he discussed the need for a wall with the Mexican head of state, the two did not discuss payment.

"Who pays for the wall? We didn't discuss," [Sleezebag] said in response to a volley of questions. "We did discuss the wall. We didn't discuss payment of the wall. That'll be for a later date."

"Who pays for the wall? We didn't discuss," [Sleezebag] said in response to a volley of questions. "We did discuss the wall. We didn't discuss payment of the wall. That'll be for a later date."

Former Mexican President apologizes for [Sleezebag] invitation

Mexico's president disputed that assertion later Wednesday, tweeting that, "At the beginning of the conversation with Donald [Sleezebag], I made it clear that Mexico will not pay for the wall."

The [Sleezebag] campaign remained tight-lipped on the content of the speech, but [Sleezebag]'s son, Donald Jr., said Tuesday on CNN that the speech won't address every aspect of [Sleezebag]'s immigration policy but that the campaign would "continue to lay things out in the coming weeks and months."

But any distance [Sleezebag] takes from his proposal to deport all estimated 11 million undocumented immigrations via a "deportation force" would mark a major flip-flop on the very issue that drew many [Sleezebag] supporters to the billionaire's brazen outsider candidacy.

"They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. Some, I assume, are good people," [Sleezebag] said launching his candidacy last summer.

Within weeks, he was vowing to deport all undocumented immigrants.

"You're supposed to come in legally. I would get people out and I would have an expedited way of getting 'em back into the country so they can be legal," [Sleezebag] told CNN's Dana Bash in July. "We will find them, we will get them out."

But it's possible [Sleezebag] will glaze over the fate of the 11-plus million undocumented immigrants living in the US in his speech Wednesday despite hammering his bold plans to deport them all throughout the Republican primary -- a policy position that drew millions of Republican primary voters to his campaign and helped [Sleezebag] cast his opponents as weak, ineffective and tied to the failures of Washington.

While rarely raising his deportation plans, [Sleezebag] has consistently and vociferously pledged his commitment to building a border wall, leading his supporters in a boisterous call-and-response chant of "Who's going to pay for the wall?" to a resounding "Mexico!" That dialogue was, of course, noticeably absent from [Sleezebag]'s tête-a-tête with the Mexican president.

[Sleezebag]'s campaign surrogates in recent days have slammed the media for focusing on those 11 million people, instead touting [Sleezebag]'s commitment to first deporting undocumented immigrants who have committed crimes in the US and his plan to build a wall on the border with Mexico, and make that country pay for it.

And they have also rejected the notion that [Sleezebag] is softening his stance -- despite [Sleezebag] using that specific word last week.

"He wasn't softening on anything. He didn't change his stance on anything," Donald [Sleezebag], Jr. told Cooper on Monday, adding that [Sleezebag]'s policy on deportations has "been the same."

What Donald [Sleezebag] has said about Mexico and vice versa

Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry asserted Monday on Fox News that "Donald [Sleezebag]'s not softening his position on immigration."

"I think there's a lot of talking heads that try to get, you know, 'I'll grab a word here, I'll grab a word there.' Donald [Sleezebag] is going to secure that border," he said.

[Sleezebag]'s speech comes at a critical juncture for his candidacy, which has stared down deficits in every major national poll in the last month as well as in a slew of polls in key battleground states.

And in Arizona, a state Republican nominees carried in the last four presidential elections, [Sleezebag] is only maintaining a slight polling lead over Clinton.

Sen. John McCain, who is supporting [Sleezebag]'s bid but has also publicly warred with [Sleezebag], will not attend [Sleezebag]'s speech Wednesday, which comes a day after McCain won his Senate primary election.

"Senator McCain is spending a much-deserved day off with his wife, Cindy, at their home in Sedona," a McCain aide told CNN on Wednesday.

[Sleezebag] has sought to flip his fortunes by shaking up his campaign leadership -- ditching his campaign chairman Paul Manafort in favor of hiring a new campaign manager and chief executive -- and ramping up outreach to minority communities, notably African-Americans and Hispanics.

In doing so, [Sleezebag] has argued that those minorities have been the most affected by undocumented workers taking low-wage jobs and by the crime [Sleezebag] claims undocumented immigrants have contributed to society -- despite lacking the evidence to back up a connection between undocumented immigrants and higher crime rates.

Hispanic leaders and Republicans mindful of the party's need to draw in Hispanics to remain competitive in years to come have stressed the need for [Sleezebag] to move beyond his deportation policy proposal and begin addressing other ways to deal with the undocumented population.

Asked whether "building the wall or doing something with the 11 million here illegally" was more important, [Sleezebag]'s new campaign manager Kellyanne Conway didn't hesitate.

"It's absolutely building the wall," she said.


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Offline E_T

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1972 on: September 01, 2016, 01:32:23 PM »
I love how he can target his foot, even after putting it into armor plating...

You know, in some respects, he is worse than the Coyote when it comes to those cliffs....
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Offline Rusty Edge

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1973 on: September 01, 2016, 05:32:38 PM »
I love how he can target his foot, even after putting it into armor plating...

You know, in some respects, he is worse than the Coyote when it comes to those cliffs....

:D

Offline Rusty Edge

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1974 on: September 02, 2016, 06:55:41 AM »
* Johnson is coming to my city for a rally Thursday, I just volunteered to help, so maybe I'll have something to share later.

I'll just try to cut and paste from my facebook -

https://www.facebook.com/govgaryjohnson/videos/10153314499999364/

Cousin- Did you watch? I thought he did well.

Rusty- Sort of. I went. They said they needed 10 volunteers 2 hours early to help set up. Everybody was making excuses. Well, the Packers did play tonight, that's probably why they had a problem, but also why they were able to rent the hall. So I offered. Then they needed 2 volunteers 4 hours early. That was a problem for those who lived in other parts of the city. I said sure. The hall has held presidential events before, so they were well set up. Other than carrying brass stands for velvet ropes, it was easy. Mostly checking doors with regard to traffic patterns. Most of the time I was at a table getting people to sign in for the database......

Cousin- were you able to listen to what he had to say?

Rusty- So while I was doing that it got suddenly quiet, and I heard somebody say "Thank You so much!" It was Gary and he gave me that goofy grin and shook my hand, I started laughing for joy. He moved on just shaking hands and greeting people in the que before they could ask for an autograph or a picture. When the event was actually held, they moved us from the tables to the rope between the press lounge and the stage for the speech. So I guess you saw it. Afterwards he shook hands and posed for pictures and signed autographs for half an hour. I got him to sign my copy of his book. Yes, I got to hear the whole speech, which was much his usual stump speech.

Rusty- I was just left with the impression that we don't deserve a president that's this good of a person.

****

I should clarify that last bit.

1) HE's honest, ethical, has successful qualifying government experience, and takes The Constitution seriously. I think every presidential candidate should meet those criteria, we deserve no less.

2) Part of that judgement/ opinion is based in part on my opinion that on the whole we get the government we deserve because most of us are too lazy/ignorant/apathetic to make an informed decision, or make a difference when we could by volunteering, donating, or running for office ourselves. The voter participation rate has room for improvement, too. I say "us" because I've voted sometimes knowing little more than party and incumbent. Now the internet makes it way easier for us to become informed.

3) The other part is based upon my meetings with various governors, cabinet officers and other prominent politicians, or people to become such later. Maybe it's because Gary was an entrepreneur rather than an attorney like most politicians.  He's genuinely seems like a decent guy. The only one close in my personal experience, was Tom Ridge, who like Gary, put himself through college by working construction.

Offline E_T

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1975 on: September 02, 2016, 03:40:01 PM »
So did you get to ask him anything or was there anything that was asked that has been lightly covered over other things??
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Offline Rusty Edge

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1976 on: September 03, 2016, 02:32:10 AM »
No.  There was a 1/2 hour stump speech, and a 1/2 hour of shaking hands and taking pics afterwards. 

Now, I was kinda busy at the time,  but he was in a lounge with the press doing interviews for about an hour before hand. I do know that he is big on punctuality ( he was born in a railroad town ), so he was probably on schedule, but I haven't read/ seen any of those interviews yet. I was busy today because I cleared my schedule yesterday.

He did have a few new anti [Sleezebag] comments with regard to what was said the night before. Like saying that [Sleezebag] will be on the wrong side of history, and that the Mexican president will go to the wall and say Ronald Regan's words.

I would dearly love the Johnson in the debates to see two things-

 1) Johnson, who had a mechanical construction contracting company in New Mexico discussing the impracticality of building The Wall of [Sleezebag]- the eminent domain, do we close off the Rio Grande, the Colorado, and another river that cross or marks the border? how do we get the water to make the concrete in the desert? How do we build it in the mountains? What about the environmental impact of interfering with migratory animals?

2) Johnson contrasting himself with Hillary by telling the story of how an unsolicited donor had called him, irate that his bill had been vetoed. Gary explained that the government isn't for sale, and he didn't operate that way. Did he want a refund? :D

Offline Rusty Edge

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1977 on: September 04, 2016, 05:01:13 AM »
If you're wondering why I haven't been contributing much to this thread lately, it's because I have a slow, freezing, crashing machine that either can't copy or can't finish a post. SO- More links and summarization, less copying.

* http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-reporters-press-227700
This one is called Hillary Clinton, Rarely Seen, Rarely Heard. It's about how she's been keeping the press distant. She hasn't held a press conference for 273 days.  If I were an editor, I would do a front page story about how Clinton has nothing to say, and [Sleezebag] has no respect for the press, so I'll be sending my people to cover Gary Johnson, where we will at least get stories with the expense reports.




Offline Rusty Edge

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1978 on: September 04, 2016, 05:28:55 AM »
* The Richmond Times-Dispatch endorsed Gary Johnson. http://www.richmond.com/opinion/our-opinion/article_b79cc2b6-8ed5-532c-92eb-4a37e779c433.html           A short excerpt-
 
"But our final decision to endorse the Johnson/Weld ticket, and to do so with great confidence and enthusiasm, came only after Johnson met with the editorial board last Monday morning. We found him to be knowledgeable but unscripted, reasonable and good-humored, self-assured but free from arrogance, willing and able to address every question, consistent in his beliefs without being dogmatic, even-tempered, curious — and in all respects optimistically, realistically presidential.

We have over the years interviewed hundreds of politicians — local, state, and national — and there’s no doubt that Johnson belongs in the major leagues, and on the debate stage this fall. He is a skilled and experienced leader, an able communicator, an intelligent man."

Well, it's nice for somebody else to validate my opinion of this man.

Offline Rusty Edge

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1979 on: September 04, 2016, 06:02:07 AM »
* Then there's the matter of Taco trucks. [Sleezebag]'s Hispanic spokesperson, explaining the horrors of Mexican immigration said that his culture was very dominant, and it would mean taco trucks on every corner.   You can imagine that this is the popular slogan since a chicken in every pot, especially in rural areas without food trucks.  A related story-

-event-in-detroit]http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/03/492534979/taco-truck-owner-racks-up-sales-at-[Sleezebag]-event-in-detroit

I hope that the taco trucks continue to follow the [Sleezebag] campaign everywhere he goes.
Oh, and yeah, there were Hispanics at the Johnson rally I attended.


 

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