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[Rusty Edge]

Perhaps [Sleezebag] got a dose of reality. A longer article with lots of graphics.
-flip-flopped-on-deportation-plan.html]http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/26/heres-why-[Sleezebag]-flip-flopped-on-deportation-plan.html

"In the end, the plan may have simply proved too costly — both politically and economically.

By one estimate the direct price tag for removing some 11 million undocumented workers could top $600 billion. And the economic impact of a such a sudden contraction in the U.S. labor force would lop $1.6 trillion from the nation's economy. That's roughly the gross domestic product of Texas."

[E_T]

Watched, nothing struck me as new.

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Thanks for posting it for me.

I know you had seen a lot of that via other sources, but others here whom lurk might not have...

[E_T]

Perhaps T rump got a dose of reality. A longer article with lots of graphics.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/26/heres-why-T rump-flip-flopped-on-deportation-plan.html

"In the end, the plan may have simply proved too costly — both politically and economically.

By one estimate the direct price tag for removing some 11 million undocumented workers could top $600 billion. And the economic impact of a such a sudden contraction in the U.S. labor force would lop $1.6 trillion from the nation's economy. That's roughly the gross domestic product of Texas."

And don't forget the economic fallout from the sudden loss of that many workers that are doing jobs that no one else wants to do....  staggering doesn't even come close...

[E_T]

I am very saddened that this site had anything to do with spreading such knowledge...

Well, like you said, differing opinions can be educational. I Google backtracked some stuff which I thought was cut and pasted and found a group of podcasters that seemed to be source of the ideas based upon various code words. Then it all made sense. Pro-T rump because he is anti-political correctness. Political correctness means you get criticized for speaking your mind as a  ( person such as described by Elok ).

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I'm sharing this because it shows the Gary we would see in the debates.

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That talking head Chaff's my shorts...

[Rusty Edge]

Watched, nothing struck me as new.

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Thanks for posting it for me.

I know you had seen a lot of that via other sources, but others here whom lurk might not have...

Okay. Thanks for the reminder. Sometimes I equate don't know with don't care.

[Buster's Uncle]

I am very saddened that this site had anything to do with spreading such knowledge...

Well, like you said, differing opinions can be educational. I Google backtracked some stuff which I thought was cut and pasted and found a group of podcasters that seemed to be source of the ideas based upon various code words. Then it all made sense. Pro-T rump because he is anti-political correctness. Political correctness means you get criticized for speaking your mind as a  ( person such as described by Elok ).

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I'm sharing this because it shows the Gary we would see in the debates.

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That talking head Chaff's my shorts...

You are not alone.  John Stossel is a horrid little ignoramus/loudmouth.

[Buster's Uncle]

What is the ‘alt-right’? A beginner’s guide
Yahoo
Caitlin Dickson  Breaking News Reporter  August 25, 2016



From left, Andrew Anglin, The Daily Stormer; Richard Spencer, The Alternative Right; Jared Taylor, American Renaissance; Matthew Heimbach; David Duke; Milo Yiannopoulos and Steve Bannon. (Yahoo News photo illustration; photos: AP, Facebook, Getty Images, Reuters)



A political movement most Americans have never heard of is suddenly in the spotlight, thanks to Donald T rump — who has hired one of its leading spokesmen to run his campaign — and Hillary Clinton, whose speech planned for Thursday afternoon is expected to denounce it.

It’s the “alt-right,” a loose aggregation of bloggers, radio hosts, think tanks and activists that emerged from the “white nationalist” movement of the 1980s and 1990s. It occupies positions on the far right of American politics, but it is not primarily about the issues that motivate mainstream conservatives, such as taxes or government spending. Instead, it postulates that the culture of white America is under attack, and sees itself as its defender.

T rump has for much of his campaign flirted with “alt-right” themes, mostly through retweets, some of which he later disavowed. When former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke — a major figure in the “alt-right” world — urged his supporters to back T rump, the candidate maintained, implausibly, he didn’t know anything about Duke before grudgingly disavowing the support.

But with the hiring of Breitbart Media chairman Steve Bannon as CEO of his campaign, T rump has embraced someone at the heart of the movement, who boasted of turning Breitbart.com into “the platform of the alt-right.” Duke himself celebrated the hiring with the boast: “We’ve taken over the Republican Party,” although presumably the party’s mainstream leadership would disagree.

There are, of course, many strains of thinking under the “alt-right” umbrella. Some factions are preoccupied with a return to “traditional values,” while others espouse a philosophy called “Human Biodiversity”: the belief that there are significant biological differences between people of different races, which justifies treating them differently. (The other name for this is “scientific racism.”) Anti-Semitism is common, in various forms, ranging from Holocaust denial to full-bore denunciations of Jews as agents of the collapse of white Christian society. Bannon, personally, has not been accused of anti-Semitism, however.

The common thread, however, that connects members of these different factions is a shared desire to protect Western civilization from what many refer to as “white genocide.” This manifests in opposition to things like immigration and multiculturalism, as well as a steadfast aversion to political correctness and to establishment politics of all kinds, including Republican.

The term “alt-right” was coined in 2008 by Richard Spencer, who runs the National Policy Institute, a white nationalist think tank. Spencer founded the influential Alternative Right blog in 2010 to define the movement’s core principles.

The term represented a “shallow rebranding” of white nationalism, according to Heidi Beirich, director of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks extremist groups. “They don’t want to be identified as white nationalists anymore,” she said. “People associate that with white supremacy, which is what it is, so instead they changed it to ‘alt-right.’”

And with that, Beirich said, the movement quickly made its way from the fringe “into right-wing politics.”

“They’re self-mainstreaming,” she said. “But it should be called out for what it is, which is just pure racism.”

Spencer’s own reasons for supporting T rump seem to directly reflect the alt-right’s central “white genocide” fears.

Asked by a reporter at the Republican National Convention about the possibility that some of T rump’s policy proposals, such as banning Muslims from entering the country or abolishing birthright citizenship, might be unconstitutional, Spencer replied, “Who cares? The whole point is that we’ve got to survive.”



“Whether something is constitutionally legal I could give a s*** to be honest. Survival is more important than law,” he continued, adding, “power is what matters.”

Other key “alt-right” figures include Andrew Anglin, who endorsed T rump for president on his neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer almost immediately after T rump announced his candidacy last June, and Jared Taylor, a prominent white nationalist leader who has long promoted eugenics and racial segregation through his American Renaissance magazine and now Amren.com.

Back in January, Taylor lent his voice to thousands of pro-T rump robocalls in Iowa sponsored by the white nationalist American Freedom Party in which he told voters, “We don’t need Muslims. We need smart, well-educated white people who will assimilate to our culture.”

Yet, ahead of Clinton’s speech on Thursday, Taylor dismissed “the attempt to link Donald T rump to the alt-right [as] a standard lefty campaign technique.”

“Find someone with certain views who supports your opponent and then suggest your opponent shares those views,” Taylor told Yahoo News. “It is illogical and unfair to act as if Mr. T rump is responsible for the opinions of all of his supporters.”

There’s also Matthew Heimbach, who’s been widely regarded as the future of white nationalism since his senior year at Towson University in 2013, when he gained national attention (including from this reporter) for establishing the school’s first white student union. This April, the 25-year-old was caught on video shoving and shouting racial epithets at an African-American protester during a T rump rally in Louisville, Ky.

And James Edwards, host of The Political Cesspool radio program, which, according to the statement of principles on the show’s website, “stands for the Dispossessed Majority” and promotes “a philosophy that is pro-White.”

Edwards caused a firestorm for the T rump campaign back in March when he promoted a 20-minute interview with Donald T rump Jr., which the candidate’s son insisted he would “never have done” had he been aware of Edwards’ white nationalist views.

Yet by July, Edwards had managed to get an all-access media credential for the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, where he interviewed several GOP members of Congress and a T rump campaign official. According to the progressive, nonprofit media watchdog Media Matters for America, “Edwards pointed to his attendance at the convention as evidence that he and his radio program are going ‘mainstream.’”

For almost a year, “alt-right” provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos has been at the helm of Breitbart News’ tech section. An outspoken adversary of all things politically correct, Yiannopoulos has used the Internet as a platform to take on everything from feminism to gay rights — despite being a homosexual himself. In January, he created the Yiannopoulos Privilege Grant, a scholarship fund “exclusively available to white men who wish to pursue their post-secondary education on equal footing with their female, queer and ethnic minority classmates.” And last month, he was permanently banned from Twitter after he launched a racist harassment campaign against African-American actress Leslie Jones.

Apart from Bannon, none of these figures has any role in the T rump campaign, which has harnessed some of their energy and themes without specifically embracing them. And they do the same.

“They don’t necessarily think T rump is one of them, but he creates a space for them,” said Pete Montgomery, a senior fellow at People for the American Way and author of the blog Right Wing Watch. He notes that Duke, Spencer, Anglin and others who have endorsed T rump have qualified their support by saying they don’t agree with everything he says.

“I do not believe he would solve all or even most of the problems we are facing, but he is absolutely the only candidate who is even talking about anything at all that matters,” wrote Anglin shortly after T rump launched his campaign. “T rump is willing to say what most Americans think: it’s time to deport these people. He is also willing to call them out as criminal rapists, murderers and drug dealers.”


]https://www.yahoo.com/news/alt-beginners-guide-000000002.html[/url]

[E_T]

As I had said....  FlakeCons....

[E_T]

You know, these are the kinds of people that I swore an oath, even though I am no longer active duty, to Protect and Defend the Consitution of the United States, from enemies, Foriegn and Domestic...  it is the homegrown ones that you really need to watch out for...

[Buster's Uncle]

Hate is hate and nothing else - and that's just not the American Way...

[Rusty Edge]

As I had said....  FlakeCons....

Well, now I'm sure which ones you mean. Soon to be appearing on [Sleezebag] TV!

[Rusty Edge]

-campaigning-for-gary-johnson-to-make-the-debates/]http://www.mediaite.com/online/why-isnt-donald-[Sleezebag]-campaigning-for-gary-johnson-to-make-the-debates/

This is an opinion piece.  Basically he says that [Sleezebag] can't win without a reshuffle because of his astronomical negatives.  A 3-way debate is preferable to a terrorist attack. What does he have to lose? Why not play the populist card and threaten to boycott if Johnson isn't included?

[Rusty Edge]

This is a Gary Johnson Editorial about Immigration on CNN, ahead of T rump's supposed Immigration speech on Wednesday.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/29/opinions/making-legal-immigration-attainable-johnson/index.html

Gary Johnson: Build a better immigration system, not a wall

By Gary Johnson
Updated 12:38 PM ET, Mon August 29, 2016


Gary Johnson is the presidential nominee for the Libertarian Party and a former governor of New Mexico. The opinions expressed in this commentary are his.


 (CNN) — I'm tired of hearing about a big, beautiful wall and who should pay for it. And I'm weary of hearing politicians try to gain votes on the backs of immigrants, both legal and undocumented, by calling one another bigots.

As a white guy who served two terms as Governor of New Mexico, a border state with by far the largest percentage of Latino residents in the nation, I really wish the nativists and panderers alike would just take a break, admit what the real problems are, and let common sense prevail.

There's a reason why Donald T rump is now fumbling his way toward the "middle" on immigration policy, after having gained the Republican nomination on nativist promises to build a wall along our Mexico border and deport 11 million undocumented immigrants.

Rounding up more than 11 million people -- a population larger than all but the 7 largest states in the union -- is a ludicrous notion to begin with. Everyone knows it, including Donald T rump. It was a lie cloaked in a promise. Even if it were possible, the idea of federal authorities rounding up millions of people and loading them on buses is an image America could never stomach.

Americans know better. They know that the only realistic and, to borrow from this week's language from Mr. T rump, humane policy is to find a fair and safe way to allow non-criminal, undocumented immigrants to get right with the law and go about their lives, paying taxes, having a valid Social Security number, and earning a legal status.


No cutting the line. No "special" path to citizenship. Just a common sense way for undocumented immigrants with jobs, families, and a clean record to come forward and live by the same rules as the rest of us.

Polls show that even a majority of Republicans, the same folks who nominated Donald T rump, favor such a common sense, American approach.

Let's not forget why we came to have more than 11 million undocumented immigrants in the first place. The fear-mongers would have you believe 11 million people swam the Rio Grande, burrowed under a fence or otherwise sneaked into our communities in the dead of night. Yes, some of them did. But a significant number of undocumented immigrants actually came here legally -- and stayed.

Many didn't come—and nor do they remain--for nefarious reasons, but because they found work, established relationships or joined family members. They couldn't stay legally due to special-interest-driven restrictions on their visas. They were students who graduated or found jobs, seasonal workers who found year-round work, or children brought here by their parents.

Of those who did hike the mountains of Arizona or stow away in a container ship, how many of them would have rather come here legally if the line to enter was actually moving? Almost all of them.

But our politicians, both right and left, have created a system for legal immigration that simply doesn't work. We have artificial quotas. We have "caps" on certain categories of workers that have no real relationship to the realities of the free market. It's no coincidence that recent history shows the only successful way to reduce illegal immigration is to have a recession. Over the past 10 years, both illegal entries and the number of undocumented immigrants in the country have declined. That's not because the government did anything right.

Even for those from the right countries or with the right skills, our bureaucracy makes it ridiculously slow and cumbersome to come here legally. If it took months or years to get a driver's license, how many of us would throw up our hands, get behind the wheel, and take our chances driving without one? You know who you are.

The way to stop illegal entry is to spend our resources making legal entry efficient for people coming here for the right reasons. Instead, our politicians want to spend those resources building walls, militarizing the border and "stepping up enforcement." Did they ever stop to think we are enforcing the wrong things against the wrong people?

Try this, instead: No caps. No categories. No quotas. Just a straightforward background check, the proper paperwork to obtain a real Social Security number and work legally or prove legitimate family ties, and a reliable system to know who is coming and who is going. Border enforcement will become what it should be: Keeping out real criminals, would-be terrorists and others sneaking across the border for the wrong reasons.

Stop sending drones out to keep a mother from crossing over with her kids to join their father, and focus on stopping the actual bad guys -- or finding them if they slip by. That's what will make us safer.

We really are a nation of immigrants, and we've become the greatest nation on earth without big walls and nativism. Yes, borders must mean something. Sovereignty and civilization depend on them. But before we turn El Paso into a replica of Cold War Berlin or contemplate loading families on deportation buses, let's take a breath, recognize the real problem -- a flawed system -- and fix it.

[Rusty Edge]

Maybe no news is "good news", but on the presidential campaign, no news results in weird news.

Apparently ClinTrump is prepping for the debates rather than speechifying, so less campaign news. So we read about 110 Republicans don't  support T rump, Hispanics prefer Hillary, Millennials  would much prefer Obama to ClinTrump. But then it goes off the rails- Anthony Weiner caught in another sexting scandal, his wife ( Hillary's right hand ) will finally divorce him. Some black pastor on T rump's side tweeted a cartoon of Hillary in black face that mocked her as a friend every 4 years. So what? It's not the candidates! They didn't have anything to do with it.
Guilt by association.

*Scott Adams has disabled comments on his blog.

* John McCain, who still hasn't had his primary said he is supporting T rump and will vote for him, will continue to speak out against his policies when they are wrong.

* That tells me that this rumored big announcement  at the end of this month for the Johnson campaign probably won't include a McCain endorsement,  and a Romney endorsement seems unlikely. That still leaves room for the Bush clan. Somehow, that's not as powerful as having all of the living past Republican Presidential candidates come out for Johnson, but both living GOP candidates would be nothing to sneeze at, if it still happens.

*Jill Stein finally stumbled upon a way to get attention- Tweet about Harambe. "The killing of Harambe 3 months ago today reminds us to be a voice for the voiceless." Which unleashed a new round of controversy and got her more press coverage than she's had. Maybe it was timing.

* Oh. PBS Censored Jill's criticism of Clinton and the TPP.

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*McMullin," made the ballot in Arkansas, Colorado, Iowa, Louisiana, Minnesota and Utah as of Thursday. In Arkansas, the Better for America Party secured him a ballot spot."  I think he applied in Wyoming today, but he has missed at least 30 states.

* Here's MCMullin's ad-

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[Rusty Edge]

I got into an internet discussion last night and here's an excerpt-

I crunched some numbers on the 8/25/2016 Quinnipiac national poll - https://www.qu.edu/.../quinnip.../national/release-detail... % Likely voters CLINTON - 15% are Pro-Hillary, 21% are anti-[Sleezebag], and 9% are ( let's call them "Tepid" ) tepid- Hillary = 45% Total CLINTON. [Sleezebag]- 10% are pro-[Sleezebag], 24% are anti-Clinton , and 4% tepid-[Sleezebag] = 38% Total [Sleezebag]. 10% JOHNSON, and 4% STEIN , for a total of 97% . I guess the other 3% are undecided or minor party voters. Suppose about half of the anti- [Sleezebag] and ant-Clinton voters paired off for Balanced Rebellion. Call it 11% each. That puts the popular vote at Clinton 34%, Johnson 32%, [Sleezebag] at 27% and Stein at 4%. That makes it a horse race.

Imagine that! Among likely fall voters, Pro -[Sleezebag] are only 10%, probably within the margin of error compared to total Johnson supporters. The rest of [Sleezebag] "supporters" are just Republicans and Hillary haters. That's not much different than the % of likely fall voters who voted for [Sleezebag] in the primaries.