Garland's Legacy - TTT

[Mart]

Data Angels have this ability same as Planetary Datalinks. One has to account for it too.

[binTravkin]

The Human Hive respects our agreements.
Our trading partners can vouch for us.
We also noticed Data Angels had obtained this technology and some others, which we did not trade, at least Adaptive Economics (I'd have to go through turns, but I think there could be more techs I did not trade, but Data Angels got) and upon inquiring to Data Angels as to their source, they denied trading for them, so we concluded this is due to illicit activities.

It was not our intention to interfere with plans of Consciousness or upset the inter-faction relationships.
We stand firmly for cooperation and mutual benefit.

Upon trade Human Hive also agreed to not build the Neural Amplifier project and we're upholding this promise.

The Human Hive hopes this misunderstanding can be solved so that all sides are satisfied.

[Misotu]

The Data Angels confirm that there was no tech trade with the Hive - we acquired the tech through our special ability but didn't even realise we had it at first because we get *no notifications* of these discoveries in-game!

This makes tech trading very difficult for us and it's terribly confusing - we simply don't realise we have a new tech and it makes actual trading decisions next to impossible. Why offer something when it looks likely that the tech will simply arrive in a turn or two ...

Having said that, our situation is pretty poor relative to other factions so we need the help   

[binTravkin]

 

[Mart]

... but didn't even realise we had it at first because we get *no notifications* of these discoveries in-game!
...

A quick check would be on F8 screen, as the score component for Technologies is their number. Only one has to remember how many techs there was last time.
I use F8 in similar cases for that. It's not perfect, but helps somewhat.

[Kirov]

Allright so I made a deal with the hive that I would accept trading Neural Grafting for Intellectual Integrity if and only if he would accept not trading it for 10 turns. I check out to trade with the angels the technology a few turns later, and loading the previous saves and checking the turns I find out the hive broke made a false agreement and traded neural grafting with the angels the turn right after for polymorphic software .  I didn't wanted to trade without this agreement because the hive already had a big advance on anyone. My plan doesn't work anymore because I can't simply trade the technology with the angels as they already have it.

What are we supposed to do when a player does not respect the agreement made during trade? It's not a question of roleplay, it's a question of lying and not respecting the trades. If I lend you a technology, you can't lie to another player and don't send the other one next turn when you discover it. I really don't think this is correct.

Glad it solved by itself, but I wanted to ask - what kind of measures did you have in mind? I mean, there is no game rule about lying.

[binTravkin]

Btw, I'm quite sure I got Polymorphic Software from University and it was a loong time ago.
How Angels got it - no idea. I'd suspect hack.. err special powers (because that tech is useless apart from being prereq). 

[Eldramatico]

Ok it is indeed because of the hacking abilities of the angels, and you are right Polymorphic Software was acquired the turn before the angels had neural grafting. Sorry for the trouble, at the moment I was very sure our agreements weren't respected. All this because I checked the techs too fast and forgot about the angels's ability.

If we could make a rule to respect our trade agreements, so if someone says something in the trade screen for future turn to respect his agreement. Otherwise it's been a while since the last time I've played and please accept my humble apologies.

[binTravkin]

No problem.
I don't remember ever not keeping word on trades, except maybe I've cancelled some before they happened.
Also, I only remember somebody not keeping their word once, when I put pre-accepted EC with the idea of speeding up transfers - I lost my EC and didn't get tech, but then CMN intervened and at least I got my EC back.

[Eldramatico]

No problem.
I don't remember ever not keeping word on trades, except maybe I've cancelled some before they happened.
Also, I only remember somebody not keeping their word once, when I put pre-accepted EC with the idea of speeding up transfers - I lost my EC and didn't get tech, but then CMN intervened and at least I got my EC back.

Oh, that's cool at least. Thank you.

[Kirov]

No problem.
I don't remember ever not keeping word on trades, except maybe I've cancelled some before they happened.
Also, I only remember somebody not keeping their word once, when I put pre-accepted EC with the idea of speeding up transfers - I lost my EC and didn't get tech, but then CMN intervened and at least I got my EC back.

I was asking because I'd strongly oppose intervening, regardless if I'm the CMN or another player. Lying is a tool in your arsenal, guys. And the chance for being backstabbed makes for a much more interesting game. So carefully weigh your options as there is no Deus Ex Machina here. In fact, I'd probably have a long discussion with that CMN.

You can hate it, you can love it, but you're on your own in any game I play or set up. Sorry...

[Misotu]

I agree with Kirov that a CMN absolutely should not step in on this sort of thing. The way I see it, the AI lies and betrays all the time, it's part of the game, but it's obviously rather more serious when a human player does it. A human player needs to think about diplomacy carefully, because another human player will never forget a betrayal and that carries over into future games. Which means that it's sort of self-regulating really - you can abandon an ally and win a game but you may pay for it dearly later on 

I always keep my word, even if it means losing the game. But I don't  necessarily expect other people to do the same. I'm disappointed if let down, obviously, and I tend to take a view as to whether to trust them. Ever.


 

[Eldramatico]

 

[Mart]

 

[binTravkin]