First PBEM - TTT

[Brecon]

To the Morgans

[Kurvivor]

It is strange to see commerce income in one place in status tables, yet in my income only bases are reflected. It is very disconcerting.

[Kirov]

It is strange to see commerce income in one place in status tables, yet in my income only bases are reflected. It is very disconcerting.

I'm not sure if I understand where the problem lies. Does the F3 screen give you a false display?

[MallaxOZ]

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[Vishniac]

My bases show commerce with Morganic bases as normal.

To the Drones 

[Brecon]

To the Morgans

[Kurvivor]

Attached the summary of the issue

[Kirov]

Well, pausing this game is the thing I'd hate most, but if I'm reading this right, the lad is short 50 EC each turn and that's a truckload of money, at least here in the high seas. And Morgan needs his cash more than anything.

Kurvivor, can you open your previous turns, count the income and make sure that it's not only the display that is wrong?

If you indeed earn less cash, I believe this is some bug related to Yitzi's patch (I don't know that for sure, it's just it's the first time in my life this happens). What we need to do is pack Kurvivor's recent turns and send them to Yitzi, along with the password. Probably the rest of us will need to do the same.

Does anyone have a better idea?

Oh, one thing - Kurvivor, do you have a SMAC copy without Yitzi's? If not, can you install one and check the past 2-3 turns in such a copy?

[Kirov]

Kurvivor, if this issue is indeed due to a bug, it will take a while to solve it. Can you please confirm within a couple of days that you've submitted your saves, password and the description of the issue to Yitzi? And that you've checked other solutions, like trying a new non-Yitzi copy? It would greatly help us get back on the track ASAP.

EDIT: And guys, please think if maybe you have any other ideas where the problem lies and what we could do about it.

[Kurvivor]

I have loked back at the saves, and it seems that, indeed, gross income is always smaller then Commerce Income. Maybe i have understood how they relate to each other wrong all along?

[Kirov]

I have loked back at the saves, and it seems that, indeed, gross income is always smaller then Commerce Income. Maybe i have understood how they relate to each other wrong all along?

I'm going out of town for a couple of days and can't check it right now. I thought that you'd noticed a big change and that's why you brought it up. Can you go through your past few turns and note down how much cash you get? Possibly everything is ok. I can't verify this easily as I have no commerce due to the persecutions.

If you find something odd, you can still replay your turn as I've only done a few moments which I can easily recreate. But once I engage enemy Nazi zombie combatants, I would be extremely reluctant to replays.

I'm back next week.

[Kurvivor]

I sugges we just play on

[Vishniac]

And guys, please think if maybe you have any other ideas where the problem lies and what we could do about it.

After asking the...Governor's bureaucracy to look at data, I think everything is fine at Morgan's.
Commerce income is coming as it should.
Squares give energy.
The devil lies in Social Engineering: at 20% Economy before maintenance is taken, there doesn't remain much to earn at the end of a turn.

Ex: your most western base (Morgan In...):
+10 from commerce
+10 from squares
= Energy 020-000
Economy 20% (and no bonus) => 4 credits

If you want more money, you can change the allocation for more Economy in Menu / HQ / Social Engineering.
But it's always the old story of butter or cannons, or here credits or research points...

[Kurvivor]

I am very sorry for cluttering this thread with my lack of understanding
I thought commerce income goes straingt into money, without splitting. It is very embarassing

[Kirov]

I'm sorry guys, but these days have been so busy it's basically hell so far. On the top of everything, I tried to employ some people last week and long story short, it didn't end that well. Clearly Morgan, I am not. I hope to smooth things out soon, but in the meantime, please have some more patience. I can push my other games as they are at early stages, but this one needs focus and this is one thing I don't have now (along with time; and peace of mind; and... aw forget it).

Be back with you as soon as possible, sorry for the delay.