SMAC/X and affinities

[Yitzi]

Humans are couch potatoes.  I only excercise, meditate, study dead religions, translate Chinese text on top of the unocassional anime/korean drama and starcraft murder because of my sublime will.  I assume that everyone else is a couch potato...  or an artist.

You assume wrong, then.

I argue that Harmony and Green have some correlation but are far from identical.

You're wrong.
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If you were correct, then neither  nor  would be Harmony, as they both prefer Planned.  Is that what you're claiming?

[BlaneckW]

If you were correct, then neither  nor  would be Harmony, as they both prefer Planned.  Is that what you're claiming?

Caretaker gets a planet bonus so I would say she is harmony (or rather, a caretaker); Planned is the model the species uses universally, the species doesn't typically live on Planet; Nee wants to kick everyone off of it.  And uh...  Marr gets a planet malus.  Marr isn't harmony.  He wants transcendence for supremacy purposes.

[BlaneckW]

You assume wrong, then.

So you do a little coding.

[Yitzi]

Caretaker gets a planet bonus so I would say she is harmony (or rather, a caretaker); Planned is the model the species uses universally, the species doesn't typically live on Planet; Nee wants to kick everyone off of it.  And uh...  Marr gets a planet malus.  Marr isn't harmony.  He wants transcendence for supremacy purposes.

I see transcendence of any sort as harmony-aligned.  And if  wants to kick everyone (including herself) off Planet, that doesn't really fit with Harmony at all.

Maybe you'd better explain: How do you understand the essence of each of the affinities in BE, and how would they translate to SMAC/X?

[BlaneckW]

I see transcendence of any sort as harmony-aligned. 

That's because you're an...  uh....  well, your brains are...  anyway, Marr wants to subjugate planet-mind, become a "god", conquer the galaxy.  At best, that's a domestication attitude toward planet-mind, bearing little resemblance to the Gaian attitude.

And if  wants to kick everyone (including herself) off Planet, that doesn't really fit with Harmony at all.

Not even living on earth would be plenty harmonious towards it, at least from an environmentalist standpoint.  Though you could say they are less harmony-based than the Gaians, since she's got a domestication attitude like Marr, just in a paternal sense.  In a sense, a lot environmentalism is just another variety of paternalism.  The Gaians and Harmony are a little bit more radical than this, as as many environmentalists who criticize environmentalism-paternalism, but you couldn't argue that the caretakers aren't at least a bit green or environmentally harmonious; moreso than Yang.

[Buster's Uncle]

I'm really enjoying this exchange.

[BlaneckW]

Is that good enough?

[Buster's Uncle]

Now it's in good humor.

[BlaneckW]

Now it's in good humor.

I know, I inhaled my popocorn.

[Yitzi]

I see transcendence of any sort as harmony-aligned. 

That's because you're an...  uh....  well, your brains are...  anyway, Marr wants to subjugate planet-mind, become a "god", conquer the galaxy.  At best, that's a domestication attitude toward planet-mind, bearing little resemblance to the Gaian attitude.

It does indeed bear little resemblance to the Gaian attitude.

But it is very much aligned with Harmony; Alien Domestication is one of the techs that gives Harmony points.

Not even living on earth would be plenty harmonious towards it, at least from an environmentalist standpoint.

True, but the Harmony affinity doesn't seem to be so environmentalist.  (Which might mean it's not the best name...but that's another issue.)

Though you could say they are less harmony-based than the Gaians, since she's got a domestication attitude like Marr, just in a paternal sense.

No,  does not have a domestication attitude; her attitude is more "this stuff is dangerous, let's keep it from going further."

Late-game , on the other hand, does have a very paternal (or is that maternal) approach to Planet.  (Just look at the blurb for Sentient Econometrics.)

[Othniel]

I think I need to pull some quotes from within Beyond Earth for the wonders, techs, quests and affinity level ups. These are meant to be extremely loose philosophies, so there is likely overlap. For example I think  's survivalism-based view-points fit Harmony really well, especially with their guerilla type fighting styles. Being able to forage, alien life as weaponry, hindering the enemy if you can't survive, being able to fight on your own without needing support...

  could be supremacy with its focus on organization and mind-uploading.  also strikes me as a supremacy type with its zero-maintenance roads and mag-rails, generator increasing energy techs and other economic based buildings.

 

[BlaneckW]

Alien Domestication is one of the techs that gives Harmony points.

It's a bit greener than outright replacing alien life, so this should come as no surprise.

could be supremacy with its focus on organization and mind-uploading. 

As a goal, yes.  As a practicality, no.  Similarly. Morgan might use supremacist methods by mid-game, but most the domestic citizens probably have little more than purity goals.  But then it's hard to imagine a civilization whose common people have supremacist goals except in adverse conditions.

[Yitzi]

For example I think  's survivalism-based view-points fit Harmony really well, especially with their guerilla type fighting styles. Being able to forage, alien life as weaponry, hindering the enemy if you can't survive, being able to fight on your own without needing support...

I would agree, except that she seems to be very focused on "survival of humanity" concepts, which fit Purity even better.

also strikes me as a supremacy type with its zero-maintenance roads and mag-rails, generator increasing energy techs and other economic based buildings.

Makes sense.

[BlaneckW]

I would agree, except that she seems to be very focused on "survival of humanity" concepts, which fit Purity even better.

She does it with a supremacist military.

[Yitzi]

I would agree, except that she seems to be very focused on "survival of humanity" concepts, which fit Purity even better.

She does it with a supremacist military.

That is true; her military style fits Supremacy a lot better.  Essentially, she is philosophically Purity-aligned but takes a Supremacy approach to the military; I would assign her to Purity anyway because the affinities are primarily philosophical and response-to-the-new-world approaches, rather than military ones.