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Title: Is it worth to go beyond Earth?
Post by: Vissavald on November 18, 2014, 04:27:00 PM

Well, sorry for starting my presence on this forum right with new topic creation...

I know, I know, I read reviews and such... And I was a big fan of good old SMAC(X) too.
But if I would ask you to express your feelings about new Firaxis title in...say...THREE words that could describe this game best way - what these words would be?

Title: Re: Is it worth to go beyond Earth?
Post by: Geo on November 18, 2014, 04:52:01 PM

Quote from: Vissavald on November 18, 2014, 04:27:00 PM

... - what these words would be?

Yes, you can? ;cute

Title: Re: Is it worth to go beyond Earth?
Post by: BlaneckW on November 18, 2014, 11:22:23 PM

Not quite interested

Title: Re: Is it worth to go beyond Earth?
Post by: Yitzi on November 18, 2014, 11:24:02 PM

I'm still waiting (for a true sequel to SMAC).

Title: Re: Is it worth to go beyond Earth?
Post by: BlaneckW on November 18, 2014, 11:43:52 PM

Decades Cold Spell
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/dark-winter-cold-global-cooling/2014/11/16/id/607672/ (http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/dark-winter-cold-global-cooling/2014/11/16/id/607672/)

Title: Re: Is it worth to go beyond Earth?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on November 18, 2014, 11:59:02 PM

Cut that out, Blaneck.

Title: Re: Is it worth to go beyond Earth?
Post by: gwillybj on November 18, 2014, 11:59:50 PM

just play SMACX

Title: Re: Is it worth to go beyond Earth?
Post by: BlaneckW on November 19, 2014, 12:41:19 AM

Quote from: gwillybj on November 18, 2014, 11:59:50 PM

just play SMACX

SMAC

Title: Re: Is it worth to go beyond Earth?
Post by: Flux on November 19, 2014, 01:53:05 AM

Super Bland Characters


(Gameplay wise, it looks like a Civ V reskin. I wouldn't like SMAC that much if it werent for the backstory and personality)

Title: Re: Is it worth to go beyond Earth?
Post by: BlaneckW on November 19, 2014, 02:16:01 AM

Quote from: BlueFlux on November 19, 2014, 01:53:05 AM

(Gameplay wise, it looks like a Civ V reskin. I wouldn't like SMAC that much if it werent for the backstory and personality)

I would, but I think the adage really applies here.

Title: Re: Is it worth to go beyond Earth?
Post by: sisko on November 19, 2014, 10:24:22 AM

My three words:
needs AC mod


Also, welcome to AC2, Vissavald! :)

Title: Re: Is it worth to go beyond Earth?
Post by: Yitzi on November 19, 2014, 12:43:48 PM

Quote from: sisko on November 19, 2014, 10:24:22 AM

My three words:
needs AC mod

An AC mod would definitely help it go a long way...

Especially if proper social engineering (perhaps even as an extension of the affinity system) could be implemented instead of virtues.

Title: Re: Is it worth to go beyond Earth?
Post by: Vissavald on November 19, 2014, 02:54:10 PM

Quote from: Yitzi on November 18, 2014, 11:24:02 PM

I'm still waiting

Well, don't you find, guys, that it's a general feeling about most of modern game sequels and remakes? Maybe, waiting is the time-wasting? As for me, I really see no hope, at least from AAA-scene. Indie devs only.

Or are we too old to enjoy the PC-gaming world changing?

Title: Re: Is it worth to go beyond Earth?
Post by: Yitzi on November 19, 2014, 02:59:06 PM

Quote from: Vissavald on November 19, 2014, 02:54:10 PM

Quote from: Yitzi on November 18, 2014, 11:24:02 PM

I'm still waiting

Well, don't you find, guys, that it's a general feeling about most of modern game sequels and remakes? Maybe, waiting is the time-wasting? As for me, I really see no hope, at least from AAA-scene. Indie devs only.

Or are we too old to enjoy the PC-gaming world changing?

I think it may very well have to come from indie devs (and wasn't Firaxis itself fairly indie-like back when SMAC came out?)

Title: Re: Is it worth to go beyond Earth?
Post by: BlaneckW on November 19, 2014, 03:48:25 PM

Quote from: Yitzi on November 19, 2014, 12:43:48 PM

Especially if proper social engineering (perhaps even as an extension of the affinity system) could be implemented

Other way around.

Title: Re: Is it worth to go beyond Earth?
Post by: Yitzi on November 19, 2014, 04:32:00 PM

Quote from: BlaneckW on November 19, 2014, 03:48:25 PM

Quote from: Yitzi on November 19, 2014, 12:43:48 PM

Especially if proper social engineering (perhaps even as an extension of the affinity system) could be implemented

Other way around.

You mean affinities as an extension of social engineering?  I would call the social engineering the extension since the affinities are what's already there...but yes, in the mod taken by itself the social engineering would be the more fundamental level, with affinities as an outgrowth of it.

Title: Re: Is it worth to go beyond Earth?
Post by: Sawelios on January 21, 2015, 03:00:27 PM

I just read BE reviews and recommendations of Russian speakers on Steam (I hate Steam and I don't plan to purchase BE, just curious). Almost every one DOESN'T recommend it and in very unpleasant words, by the way... :) More interesting thing is that NO one of them has even mentioned SMAC(X), and overall style of reviews portrays them as rather young gamers.
And what makes me wonder in this connection: if even youngsters do feel the s**t, so why are so many posts and topics about BE here? ;P

Title: Re: Is it worth to go beyond Earth?
Post by: sisko on January 21, 2015, 03:34:38 PM

Quote from: Sawelios on January 21, 2015, 03:00:27 PM

.., so why are so many posts and topics about BE here? ;P

:dunno: I guess we had expectations..

Title: Re: Is it worth to go beyond Earth?
Post by: Geo on January 21, 2015, 04:43:00 PM

SMAC(X) and BE seem to have at least one thing in common though: the possibility for an almost logarithmic expansion of your faction/colony.

Title: Re: Is it worth to go beyond Earth?
Post by: BlaneckW on January 21, 2015, 05:24:35 PM

Quote from: Sawelios on January 21, 2015, 03:00:27 PM

And what makes me wonder in this connection: if even youngsters do feel the s**t, so why are so many posts and topics about BE here? ;P

They were from before the release.  I began disparaging it before the release.  I don't bother disparaging Starships because it's not really a TBS, other than the RPG kind.  I guess one could wish it had a decent tactical side.

Title: Re: Is it worth to go beyond Earth?
Post by: Yitzi on January 21, 2015, 08:51:14 PM

Quote from: Geo on January 21, 2015, 04:43:00 PM

SMAC(X) and BE seem to have at least one thing in common though: the possibility for an almost logarithmic expansion of your faction/colony.

This is not actually something so notable, though; any time the amount of increase is proportional to the amount that already exists, you're going to be looking at exponential growth.

Title: Re: Is it worth to go beyond Earth?
Post by: vonbach on February 03, 2015, 10:24:49 PM

I tried Beyond Earth I wasn't impressed. Its a modpack for Civ V with 30% of the content removed.
SMAC is a better game.

Title: Re: Is it worth to go beyond Earth?
Post by: BlaneckW on February 04, 2015, 04:56:20 AM

Quote from: vonbach on February 03, 2015, 10:24:49 PM

I tried Beyond Earth I wasn't impressed. Its a modpack for Civ V with 30% of the content removed.

Less work for modders  :D

Title: Re: Is it worth to go beyond Earth?
Post by: Kolbeg on April 20, 2015, 02:55:19 PM

Not worth playing.

It has potential but if you are looking for a Smac successor its not that.  I´m not playing it again unless the next super patch from Firaxis will be AMAZING (not likely).  On the other hand there is a promising Alpha Centauri mod for Beyond Earth being worked on and probably only it will ever get me back to the game.

Title: Re: Is it worth to go beyond Earth?
Post by: Yitzi on April 20, 2015, 05:37:40 PM

Quote from: BlaneckW on February 04, 2015, 04:56:20 AM

Quote from: vonbach on February 03, 2015, 10:24:49 PM

I tried Beyond Earth I wasn't impressed. Its a modpack for Civ V with 30% of the content removed.

Less work for modders  :D

Yeah, but I'm sure it comes with a EULA, so less options for modders too...

Title: Re: Is it worth to go beyond Earth?
Post by: Mart on April 20, 2015, 07:36:02 PM

Quote from: vonbach on February 03, 2015, 10:24:49 PM

I tried Beyond Earth I wasn't impressed. Its a modpack for Civ V with 30% of the content removed.
SMAC is a better game.

Only less people play SMAC and more try that civ5 modpack.
Graphics makes that, in some part.
It will be interesting to see what is going to happen to CivBE in 1, 2 and 3 years.

Title: Re: Is it worth to go beyond Earth?
Post by: Yitzi on April 20, 2015, 07:46:52 PM

Quote from: Mart on April 20, 2015, 07:36:02 PM

Quote from: vonbach on February 03, 2015, 10:24:49 PM

I tried Beyond Earth I wasn't impressed. Its a modpack for Civ V with 30% of the content removed.
SMAC is a better game.

Only less people play SMAC and more try that civ5 modpack.
Graphics makes that, in some part.
It will be interesting to see what is going to happen to CivBE in 1, 2 and 3 years.

Bah, graphics.  Master of Orion has even worse graphics than SMAC...and is SMAC's major competitor for the "best 4X game ever made" title.  (I would argue that SMAC wins out based on non-gameplay issues...but MoO is well worth paying attention to nevertheless.)