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Offline Nexii

Re: Supply crawlers, need some opinions
« Reply #120 on: August 05, 2015, 02:03:08 PM »
No the exploit is you could put minerals into an SP you don't desire and then switch to HSA as soon as you get the tech for instant completion

Offline Yitzi

Re: Supply crawlers, need some opinions
« Reply #121 on: August 05, 2015, 05:43:12 PM »
It may be just me but I really think loosing the desired SP is penalty enough. Lets say you're Zakharov and didn't get the hunter-seeker-algorithm. Instead you have to go for another project that may be completely useless for your plans (one of those psi-bonus SPs?). I really think there is no need to get another penalty. However if you have a problem with SP-switching would it be possible to simply "cash out" minerals invested in a SP that was already built (at the same rate as stockpile energy works)? I'd find it most interesting if those minerals wouldn't turn into EC but instead turned into research-points (at stockpile energy ratio without any base/facility -modifiers for science output).

That's an interesting idea, though in order to really be viable there would need to be a "production to research points" option similar to stockpile energy (as otherwise there are times you want to lose the race, which isn't desirable), which would get a bit tricky.

Offline Yitzi

Re: Supply crawlers, need some opinions
« Reply #122 on: August 05, 2015, 06:01:58 PM »
The best way, although I'm not certain yet how feasible it would be (but I think it could be done without too much effort), is probably that when you start a project you can set a "backup plan" (involving potentially multiple facilities in whatever order) in the queue, which the project's minerals can be switched to at any time with high efficiency (perhaps not 100%, but maybe 80% or 90%), and if you do that they're built immediately until you run out of minerals.  If you change the queue at any time after the turn that you start the project, it is no longer considered a "backup plan", and switching works normally.

Offline Eadee

Re: Supply crawlers, need some opinions
« Reply #123 on: August 05, 2015, 06:07:31 PM »
The "Production to research" thing sounds interesting. Is energy ftom "stockpile energy directly converted into pure EC or does it use the economy/psych/labs ratio from SE?
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Offline Yitzi

Re: Supply crawlers, need some opinions
« Reply #124 on: August 05, 2015, 11:28:42 PM »
The "Production to research" thing sounds interesting. Is energy ftom "stockpile energy directly converted into pure EC or does it use the economy/psych/labs ratio from SE?

Directly into pure EC.

Offline Eadee

Re: Supply crawlers, need some opinions
« Reply #125 on: August 06, 2015, 12:14:02 AM »
The "Production to research" thing sounds interesting. Is energy ftom "stockpile energy directly converted into pure EC or does it use the economy/psych/labs ratio from SE?
Directly into pure EC.
Then I'd really like an addition of "production to research" thingy... I gotta ask now: Is it possible (and does it make sense) to patch the GOG-version with your patches Yitzi?
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Offline Yitzi

Re: Supply crawlers, need some opinions
« Reply #126 on: August 06, 2015, 03:43:21 PM »
The "Production to research" thing sounds interesting. Is energy ftom "stockpile energy directly converted into pure EC or does it use the economy/psych/labs ratio from SE?
Directly into pure EC.
Then I'd really like an addition of "production to research" thingy...

When I open up requests for the next patch version, feel free to nominate it.  (Although I can't make the build icon for it, so someone else would have to do that.)

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I gotta ask now: Is it possible (and does it make sense) to patch the GOG-version with your patches Yitzi?

Depends what you mean.  If you're asking whether you can buy the GoG version and then install my patch, I'm fairly certain it's possible (although you'll have to figure out for yourself whether the GoG EULA allows it; I suspect it does, but am not certain).  If you mean making a version of my patch based off the GoG version: It could probably theoretically be done, but would require buying the GoG version, then breaking the EULA by disassembling it (unfortunately, GoG uses a modern-style EULA, which prohibits disassembly), then a lot of work for little if any benefit, so it's not happening.

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Re: Supply crawlers, need some opinions
« Reply #127 on: August 06, 2015, 04:02:35 PM »
...You could probably make a deal with GOG -they were talking to scient about two years ago- but there's no money and an IP rights issue with all the previous patches you've incorporated.  RW pro(ish) credit to show for it, mind; might be worth looking into...

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Re: Supply crawlers, need some opinions
« Reply #128 on: August 06, 2015, 04:56:05 PM »
...You could probably make a deal with GOG -they were talking to scient about two years ago- but there's no money and an IP rights issue with all the previous patches you've incorporated.

What sorts of things were they discussing with scient?

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Re: Supply crawlers, need some opinions
« Reply #129 on: August 06, 2015, 05:06:16 PM »
They wanted his patch.  -I don't know if I'm talking out of school, here.

Offline Eadee

Re: Supply crawlers, need some opinions
« Reply #130 on: August 06, 2015, 05:50:26 PM »
When I open up requests for the next patch version, feel free to nominate it.  (Although I can't make the build icon for it, so someone else would have to do that.)
Sounds good. In what type of file would you need the icon? I could probably help with it.
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Depends what you mean.  If you're asking whether you can buy the GoG version and then install my patch, I'm fairly certain it's possible (although you'll have to figure out for yourself whether the GoG EULA allows it; I suspect it does, but am not certain).  If you mean making a version of my patch based off the GoG version: It could probably theoretically be done, but would require buying the GoG version, then breaking the EULA by disassembling it (unfortunately, GoG uses a modern-style EULA, which prohibits disassembly), then a lot of work for little if any benefit, so it's not happening.
If I can use your patch on my game I bought at gog then I'm already happy. :)
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Offline Yitzi

Re: Supply crawlers, need some opinions
« Reply #131 on: August 06, 2015, 07:32:20 PM »
When I open up requests for the next patch version, feel free to nominate it.  (Although I can't make the build icon for it, so someone else would have to do that.)
Sounds good. In what type of file would you need the icon? I could probably help with it.

.pcx; the files in the facs folder would be the basic guideline.

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If I can use your patch on my game I bought at gog then I'm already happy. :)

Yeah, it should work that way.

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Re: Supply crawlers, need some opinions
« Reply #132 on: August 06, 2015, 08:16:34 PM »
When I open up requests for the next patch version, feel free to nominate it.  (Although I can't make the build icon for it, so someone else would have to do that.)
Sounds good. In what type of file would you need the icon? I could probably help with it.

.pcx; the files in the facs folder would be the basic guideline.

How about this one?
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Re: Supply crawlers, need some opinions
« Reply #133 on: August 06, 2015, 08:28:22 PM »
Nice.  That's in the SMACX color palette?

Offline Eadee

Re: Supply crawlers, need some opinions
« Reply #134 on: August 06, 2015, 08:36:07 PM »
I think so, I just modified the Stockpile Energy symbol and grabbed the color from a lab building. So I think it should be fine. Or do I have to save it in a specific way to make it work?
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