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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1440 on: June 08, 2016, 10:52:52 PM »
Someone closed my politics thread at WPC without even a note as to why....
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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1441 on: June 08, 2016, 10:58:34 PM »
Someone closed my politics thread at WPC without even a note as to why....

I'm sorry to hear that.
Well, you're welcome here. Everybody needs to vent or rant now and then.

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1442 on: June 08, 2016, 11:34:57 PM »
I told Solver to fire the guilty party - that's no way to step on the most life an OTf has seen all year, as risky as politics threads are...

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1443 on: June 08, 2016, 11:59:27 PM »
Someone closed my politics thread at WPC without even a note as to why....

Only just noticed that.  That's absolute crap!  I didn't see anything wrong with what was being posted.  It was great to see ZKrib all fired up like that.
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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1444 on: June 09, 2016, 12:36:19 AM »
Yeah.  He's such a mellow, measured guy - great to see passion.

Bad.  Judgment. ;b;

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1445 on: June 09, 2016, 02:15:03 PM »
Take it, Rusty!

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« Reply #1446 on: June 09, 2016, 02:16:55 PM »
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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1447 on: June 09, 2016, 06:19:55 PM »
It's symbolic of a checkmark - but I was looking for the double-wave/sine thingy they use on these, and didn't see it in a quick googling.  A version's saved as layers, so if anyone can find something better, I'll swap it in...

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1448 on: June 09, 2016, 07:28:39 PM »
Thank you, Buncle.

I haven't been well the last 24 hours. There are a couple of things I wanted to add to the thread.

Ron Paul is not endorsing anybody this year , but he has gotten off of the fence and said- "Vote Libertarian Party"

There's an article about the Sanders Campaign I wanted to post.

[Sleezebag] is still flying by the seat of his pants.

Yesterday I was watching Johnson clips with ear buds instead of reading, mostly. While Johnson has a number of talking points he continually hits, it's some of the anecdotes that I find particularly interesting. Maybe I'll get to some of those in summary today, with links.

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1449 on: June 10, 2016, 01:01:55 AM »
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/bernie-sanders-campaign-last-days-224041


Inside the bitter last days of Bernie's revolution

For better and for worse, Sanders made all the big decisions.

There’s no strategist pulling the strings, and no collection of burn-it-all-down aides egging him on. At the heart of the rage against Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party, the campaign aides closest to him say, is Bernie Sanders.

It was the Vermont senator who personally rewrote his campaign manager’s shorter statement after the chaos at the Nevada state party convention and blamed the political establishment for inciting the violence.

He was the one who made the choice to go after Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz after his wife read him a transcript of her blasting him on television.

He chose the knife fight over calling Clinton unqualified, which aides blame for pulling the bottom out of any hopes they had of winning in New York and their last real chance of turning a losing primary run around.

And when Jimmy Kimmel’s producers asked Sanders’ campaign for a question to ask Donald [Sleezebag], Sanders himself wrote the one challenging the Republican nominee to a debate.

There are many divisions within the Sanders campaign—between the dead-enders and the work-it-out crowds, between the younger aides who think he got off message while the consultants got rich and obsessed with Beltway-style superdelegate math, and between the more experienced staffers who think the kids got way too high on their sense of the difference between a movement and an actual campaign.

But more than any of them, Sanders is himself filled with resentment, on edge, feeling like he gets no respect -- all while holding on in his head to the enticing but remote chance that Clinton may be indicted before the convention.

Campaign manager Jeff Weaver, who’s been enjoying himself in near constant TV appearances, and the candidate’s wife Jane Sanders, are fully on board. But convinced since his surprise Michigan win that he could actually win the nomination, Sanders has been on email and the phone, directing elements of the campaign right down to his city-by-city schedule in California. He wants it. He thinks it should be his.

“Bernie’s been at the helm of this campaign from the beginning,” said Weaver, “and the overall message of this campaign and the direction of the campaign and the strategy, has been driven by Bernie.”

Convinced as Sanders is that he’s realizing his lifelong dream of being the catalyst for remaking American politics—aides say he takes credit for a Harvard Kennedy School study in April showing young people getting more liberal, and he takes personal offense every time Clinton just dismisses the possibility of picking him as her running mate—his guiding principle under attack has basically boiled down to a feeling that multiple aides sum up as: “Screw me? No, screw you.”

Take the combative statement after the Nevada showdown.

“I don’t know who advised him that this was the right route to take, but we are now actively destroying what Bernie worked so hard to build over the last year just to pick up two [intercourse gerund] delegates in a state he lost,” rapid response director Mike Casca complained to Weaver in an internal campaign email obtained by POLITICO.

“Thank you for your views. I’ll relay them to the senator, as he is driving this train,” Weaver wrote back.

In the run-up to the California primary, the big strategic question was how much to modulate the tone of the letter to superdelegates that he's been preparing to send out Wednesday, building on the case that Sen. Jeff Merkley, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, former Sen. Paul Kirk and former Communication Workers of America president Larry Cohen have been making to fellow superdelegates over the phone for weeks about polls and other factors that would make Sanders the more competitive general election candidate.

This isn’t about what’s good for the Democratic Party in his mind, but about what he thinks is good for advancing the agenda that he’s been pushing since before he got elected mayor of Burlington.

Sanders owns nearly every major decision, right down to the bills. A conversation with former Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin about getting left in personal debt from his own 1992 presidential campaign has stayed at the top of Sanders’ mind.

He demanded that the campaign bank account never go under $10 million, even when that’s meant decisions Weaver and campaign architect Tad Devine have protested -- like making the call in the final days before Kentucky to go with digital director Kenneth Pennington’s plan to focus on data and field, instead of $300,000 to match Clinton on TV.

Sanders ultimately lost there by just 1,924 votes.

Sanders and aides laugh at the idea that he’s damaging the party and hurting Clinton. They think they don’t get enough gratitude for how much they held back, from not targeting more Democratic members of the House and Senate who opposed him to not making more of an issue out of Clinton’s email server investigation and Bill Clinton’s sex scandals, all of which they discussed as possible lines of attack in the fall. They blame Clinton going after him on gun control for goading him into letting loose on her Goldman Sachs speeches.

“If they hadn’t started at it by really going hard at him on guns, raising a series of issues against him, that really was what led to him being much, much more aggressive than he otherwise would have been,” said Devine, the consultant who helped engineer Sanders’ plans for a protest candidacy into a real campaign (and convinced him to run as a Democrat).

Since he finished approving the ads for California not long after the Kentucky strategy spat, Devine has been back home in Rhode Island, noticeably missing from cable news as a surrogate but still regularly in touch with Sanders. Devine, who’s been more anxious about what an endgame looks like, says he hasn’t heard anything from the senator that suggests he would alter his plans because of the Clinton campaign’s eagerness to have President Barack Obama endorse her and declare the primaries done.

“They would be very smart to understand that the best way to approach Bernie is not to try to push him around,” Devine said. “It’s much better if they try to cooperate with him and find common ground. They should be mindful of the fact that the people he’s brought into this process are new to it and they will be very suspicious of any effort to push him around.”

Aides say Sanders thinks that progressives who picked Clinton are cynical, power-chasing chickens — like Sen. Sherrod Brown, one of his most consistent allies in the Senate before endorsing Clinton and campaigning hard for her ahead of the Ohio primary. Sanders is so bitter about it that he’d be ready to nix Brown as an acceptable VP choice, if Clinton ever asked his advice on who’d be a good progressive champion.

* * *


Every time Sanders got into a knife fight, aides say, they ended up losing. But they could never stop Sanders when he got his back up.

Coming off walloping Clinton in the Wisconsin primary in April, the first internal numbers from campaign pollster Ben Tulchin showed Sanders within range in New York’s pivotal contest two weeks later. Though some senior aides say they realize now the dynamics of the state and the closed primary meant they never really had a shot, they also blame coverage of his New York Daily News interview and the blowup over calling Clinton “not qualified” for taking New York off the table.

Losing Pennsylvania the following week was another body blow, one of four losses in five states that night.

In the days following, before Sanders scored his win in Indiana that campaign aides feel no one acknowledged because it came the same night [Sleezebag] locked up the Republican nomination, the calls started coming in from Democratic power brokers.

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid’s call was part advice, part asking a favor, urging Sanders to use his now massive email list to help Democratic Senate candidates. Russ Feingold in Wisconsin was the most obvious prospect, and Reid wanted to make introductions to Iowa’s Patty Judge and North Carolina’s Deborah Ross—to help Democrats win the majority, but also to give Sanders allies in making himself the leader of the Senate progressives come next year.

Reid, according to people familiar with the conversation, ended the discussion thinking Sanders was on board. He backed Feingold. But that’s the last anyone heard.

Word got back to Reid’s team that Weaver had nixed the idea, ruling out backing anyone who hadn’t endorsed Sanders. Weaver says it’s because the Senate hopefuls had to get in line for Sanders’ support behind top backers like Gabbard and Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.)—though neither has a competitive race this year.

Sanders never followed up himself.
 


CALIFORNIA PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY RESULTS




California
 Presidential Primaries, June 7, 2016

Democratic100% Reporting

Delegates Allocated: 543/546

Delegates


Winner H. Clinton
55.8%
 
1,940,580 336

B. Sanders
43.2%
 
1,502,043 207

W. Wilson
0.3%
 
8,709 

M. Steinberg
0.2%
 
7,905 

R. De La Fuente
0.2%
 
5,780 

K. Judd
0.2%
 
5,433 



Updated: 6/8/16 9:04 PM ET | Source: AP



Just before they all figured they’d see each other at the White House Correspondents Dinner, a call from Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta came in to Devine, who’s seen by most in the Clinton camp as the only senior aide to Sanders whom Clinton’s staff feels is actually open to a conversation, though Weaver and Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook have checked in with each other occasionally as well.

“I’m ready to talk,” Podesta said, though, “I don’t have a peace pipe or anything.”

Devine brought the idea to Sanders.

“Do you trust him?” Sanders said, people familiar with the conversation said.

“Yeah, I do,” Devine said.

“You think we should talk to him?” Sanders asked.

“I think we should try to win California, and then we’ll talk to him,” Devine said.













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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1450 on: June 10, 2016, 01:14:31 AM »
Never lose sight or forget - Sanders pulled off a miracle, doing so well...

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1451 on: June 10, 2016, 01:18:57 AM »
On the re-read, Bernie is not being as selfish and stubborn as I initially thought, after all, Russ Feingold should be a super-delegate. So if he wasn't endorsing Sanders when he desperately needed it, why should he help him? A joint strategy would have been easy.


There is one thing I will say on Feigold's behalf. He was one of the rare senators to oppose The Patriot Act back in the day.

EDIT: Yes, Sanders pulled off a miracle playing against a stacked deck.


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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1452 on: June 10, 2016, 02:28:43 AM »
He did, he did.

Now it's time to fight like ten wolverines for the platform and then support Mrs. Clinton 1,000%.

-I don't like it, either.

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1453 on: June 10, 2016, 03:14:55 AM »
Bits and bytes from the Johnson campaign-

*There was an article in the Washington Post about one of Johnson's talking points. He explains that as governor about 11cents of every dollar spent on education came from the Feds, and it came with 16 cents worth of mandates. They said the first part was spot on, but that the second was misleading.
That much federal money was from elective programs and grants for which schools applied. So they could opt out. Except for Special Education. (  Aye. There's the rub.  I used to be VP of a regional board that oversaw special education programs in the early 90s. I'll spare you the particulars. I'd say it's a good estimate. )The reporter got numbers from the teacher's union, which probably doesn't take ito account administrative/secretarial/bookkeeper  compliance costs, and didn't really know about special education.     They rated Johnson 3/4 pinnochios and said he should stop using that.

Interestingly enough, the majority of the readers poll said his claim was true.

Videos-

On Penn Gillette's show April 20th 2016. Bad connection, he can't hear the questions, but he talks about Climbing Mt. Everest about 25:30 .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNE_CZXiGlg


In studio return appearance 5/15/2016.  31:45 he tells about a unique program he initiated as Governor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTunl_eN9qA




Offline Rusty Edge

Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1454 on: June 10, 2016, 06:31:54 AM »
He did, he did.

Now it's time to fight like ten wolverines for the platform and then support Mrs. Clinton 1,000%.

-I don't like it, either.

Apparently, neither does he. He met with Obama today, and while they had the opportunity to jointly endorse Hillary, Obama made a video endorsement, calling her the best qualified ever, and Bernie spoke in front of the Whitehouse vowing to fight against Oligarchic government, and said he would competing in the D.C. primary, and looked forward to campaigning with Mrs. Clinton...

Huh? She and Jeb represent the Oligarchy. Choosing those words now hardly seems like party unity.

 

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