Star Trek

[Unorthodox]

I think, as a kid, what drew me to star wars over trek was the better special effects.

The fact Star Wars was the first movie I ever went to probably had a lasting impact as well. 

[Buster's Uncle]

Well, they're different genres, too; ST is more-or-less science fiction, SW is fantasy with spaceships.  If you're familiar with the old Buster Crabbe Flash Gordon serials, and you really should be, SW is tonally that, done right but with magic superpowers.

[Unorthodox]

I've seen many parallels with arthurian legend as well, but that's present in the Gordon shows as well.  Guess I'm not much of a sci-fi fan, except for horror crossovers.  Alien.  Pandorum.  Insert alien abduction/invasion show here.  But, really, those are not "sci-fi" at heart. 

[Buster's Uncle]

[shrugs] Alien is SF horror done right.  I bet you didn't like Aliens as well - I liked even 3 and Resurrection.

I think we've discussed that I think Halloween is the apex of mad slasher horror - not my thing, but done really, really well, and a good movie.  Grossing me out is no substitute for pacing and suspence, and where almost all mad slasher horror loses me, hardcore. 

(Now we've stretched the topic too far - feel free to start a horror thread.)

[Unorthodox]

Aliens is probably the better MOVIE.  But it's more action than horror.   Sigourney kicking ass is too hard to say no to. 

[Buster's Uncle]

Agreed on all counts - I just figured you prefered the first, which is very good and they made it for you, to the second, which is very good, but they didn't.

[Unorthodox]

Sigourney's role/character is much better the second film.  The switch from wasp to hornets was also wise and gave the Alien depth.  (Alien was not originally conceived as a social 'bug', but a solitary one.) 

I find the directors cut of the first on equal terms with the second.  Very key scene cut from the original release that neuters the psychological impact of the film and the Alien character.  Ironically, it makes the second film not make sense...

[Buster's Uncle]

I did not know this.

[Unorthodox]

Yeah, scene where we find the alien has not been killing/eating his victims but rather cacooning them and laying eggs, and Sigourney kills the crew to save them the fate of the chestbursters.  Very powerful scene adds a psychological depth to both Ripley and the Xenomorph.  Kinda makes the whole hive/queen concept of the second film defunct....  Solitary, not social.   Makes the Aliens V Predator requiem movie make MORE sense though.    

http://youtu.be/dS5MtzrW1vU

(there's actually another, longer cut of this I can't find on cursory search)

[Buster's Uncle]

That could be handwaved away easily enough, I think - there are precedents in real hives losing queens.  You probably know about the bees.

I did not care for the Alien v Predator stuff, come to think of it.

[Mylochka]

Back with another picture.  Since you've been talking about Star Wars, I thought you might enjoy my T'Poleia crossover...

[Buster's Uncle]

  As alway with your girlie art, HAWT!  Also, logical 

[Mylochka]

This one was for a Star Trek/Star Wars crossover challenge for my da group.

[Buster's Uncle]

If you have a lot of time to burn when you don't feel like doing anything productive, google "Starcrossed".  I strongly disagree with the assumptions about the relative technolgy levels, and haven't actually read much of it, but ST gets respect, and the story's reputed to be very good.

[Mylochka]

I strongly recommend this little film created by an artist who uses the same 3d graphics program I do.

http://auroratrek.com/index.html

You can also view the movie on YouTube here: 

Star Trek: Aurora--Complete (Official Site)