SMAC/X and affinities

[BlaneckW]

Agreed that Yang is fairly low-tech.  It's your characterization of purity as low-tech and supremacy as high-tech and harmony as +PLANET that's horribly flawed.

Even their aim is low-tech.  They want to live in bubbles.  That's lower tech than either cybernetics or genetic modification.  we ourselves could carry out a purity colonization in the arctic.  BUncle would serve as the narrator and say "some plants have escaped and are colonizing the area," and I'd say "what luck, that means I don't have to eat tree bark."  And then you would suggest that we modify ourselves to eat bark and insist this to be of the same tech level.  the project would be completed....  eventually. 

Deirdre is pretty flat out Harmony.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPvK2p28Pho

I did not say that every individual has major impact.  I said that an ideology may very well end up in the hands of one of the few people who do.

Nah, most politicians only care about money and the like.  The few that don't are smarted than your average voter anyway.  The only knowledge that most voters have that a ruler might benefit from is: "my water is black." 

Really?  Then why is it that a large number of voters support low-taxes policies due to such an ideology?

Because they like to keep themselves occupied, it makes them feel like they have purpose.

[Yitzi]

Even their aim is low-tech.  They want to live in bubbles.  That's lower tech than either cybernetics or genetic modification.

Really?  In SMAC, cybernetics tend to range from tech level 4 (Neural Grafting) to 8 (Homo Superior), and genetic modification from tech level 3 (gene splicing) to 6 (retroviral engineering) whereas hab domes are at tech level 10 (Super Tensile Solids).

Deirdre is pretty flat out Harmony.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPvK2p28Pho

  definitely fits Harmony (unless going by Othniel's approach), but that doesn't mean that her approach is the only thing that can fall under Harmony.

Nah, most politicians only care about money and the like.

And can a rich person not subscribe to an ideology?

Really?  Then why is it that a large number of voters support low-taxes policies due to such an ideology?

Because they like to keep themselves occupied, it makes them feel like they have purpose.
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Even if so, that still disproves your assertion that it is only held by rich corporations.

[BlaneckW]

Really?  In SMAC, cybernetics tend to range from tech level 4 (Neural Grafting) to 8 (Homo Superior), and genetic modification from tech level 3 (gene splicing) to 6 (retroviral engineering) whereas hab domes are at tech level 10 (Super Tensile Solids).

That's jut for balance reasons.  Really colonists could just dig underground like Yang for more space.

And can a rich person not subscribe to an ideology?

Only if they're unenlightened.  The way to rule is with law and political method.  Even a cooperative should use as much.

Even if so, that still disproves your assertion that it is only held by rich corporations.

It doesn't count if you can't practice it.

[BlaneckW]

definitely fits Harmony (unless going by Othniel's approach), but that doesn't mean that her approach is the only thing that can fall under Harmony.

You have to be at least environmentalist to be harmonious.

[Yitzi]

That's jut for balance reasons.  Really colonists could just dig underground like Yang for more space.

But that isn't the Purity approach...Purity is not low-tech.

And can a rich person not subscribe to an ideology?

Only if they're unenlightened.  The way to rule is with law and political method.  Even a cooperative should use as much.

Laws and political methods often grow out of ideologies, and "enlightenment" is also an ideology.

Even if so, that still disproves your assertion that it is only held by rich corporations.

It doesn't count if you can't practice it.

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Yes it does, because you might be able to persuade someone else who can.

definitely fits Harmony (unless going by Othniel's approach), but that doesn't mean that her approach is the only thing that can fall under Harmony.

You have to be at least environmentalist to be harmonious.

What in the affinity of Harmony (not the meaning of the word normally, but the affinity itself) requires being environmentalist?

[BlaneckW]

Laws and political methods often grow out of ideologies.

It is wrong to do so.  It transfers powers out of your hands.  Then the state is susceptible to corruption.  It also basis law on fantasy rather than circumstance.

You might be able to persuade someone else who can.

This is only relevant in an autocracy.  Only the true king will give an ear to useful subordinates in spite of their low station.

What in the affinity of Harmony (not the meaning of the word normally, but the affinity itself) requires being environmentalist?

Uh, the gameplay.  If you let the earth plants overtake the native plants, you lose harmony points

[BlaneckW]

But that isn't the Purity approach...Purity is not low-tech.

Flying fortresses are still low tech compared with cybernetics and genetics.

[Yitzi]

Laws and political methods often grow out of ideologies.

It is wrong to do so.

That position is an ideology.  Do you think laws and political methods should be based on it?

This is only relevant in an autocracy.  Only the true king will give an ear to useful subordinates in spite of their low station.

Not true; some elected officials do as well, and of course there's the possibility of someone first subscribing to the ideology and then getting power.

What in the affinity of Harmony (not the meaning of the word normally, but the affinity itself) requires being environmentalist?

Uh, the gameplay.  If you let the earth plants overtake the native plants, you lose harmony points
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And yet if you do enough other pro-Harmony things it can still be your strongest affinity.

Furthermore, there is a lot more to environmentalism than just not letting the earth plants take over.

[BlaneckW]

That position is an ideology.  Do you think laws and political methods should be based on it?

No, practicalities should.

Not true; some elected officials do as well, and of course there's the possibility of someone first subscribing to the ideology and then getting power.

That would make them fools.

[Yitzi]

That position is an ideology.  Do you think laws and political methods should be based on it?

No, practicalities should.

Laws and political methods are practicalities.

Not true; some elected officials do as well, and of course there's the possibility of someone first subscribing to the ideology and then getting power.

That would make them fools.

I disagree, but even if so, it would still make that ideology relevant, which was the question at hand.  In other words, even if they're fools, you're still wrong on the larger point.

[BlaneckW]

Laws and political methods are practicalities.

Yes, and they should not be polluted with ideological fantasies.

I disagree, but even if so, it would still make that ideology relevant, which was the question at hand. 

It's relevant as a delusion.

[Buster's Uncle]

Blaneck, you can do better.

[BlaneckW]

Blaneck, you can do better.

I don't know what you are referring to.

[Buster's Uncle]

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You KNOW by now that I don't care for you pretending ignorance.

[Yitzi]

Laws and political methods are practicalities.

Yes, and they should not be polluted with ideological fantasies.

That position is an ideology.  Should laws and political methods be "polluted with" (i.e. based on) it?

I disagree, but even if so, it would still make that ideology relevant, which was the question at hand. 

It's relevant as a delusion.

So you think Purity/Harmony/Supremacy (which are also ideologies, much as are the ones under discussion) are delusions?