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Title: Kilkakon's Art (some nudity)
Post by: Kilkakon on September 23, 2013, 03:30:48 AM

Hi there everyone. BU told me that I should share my art here. I've still got saves of the various stages of the current work in progress piece that I am working on, so I thought why not. Constructive criticism is appreciated.

I generally work on a four stage process:
Primary: Sketching out the shape of the creature
Secondary: Lineart. This stage takes ages... trying to trace the character using solid, smooth, accurate black lines.
Tertiary: Colours. I pick out some colours and decide what will work out there.
Quadary: Shading. Takes a little while, but this is what turns the colour-by-numbers picture into a complete piece.

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It should go without saying that I draw a lot of nudity. It's typically male, uncut pokémon or similar cutesy characters. Just a heads up before you see anything. It's non-sexual and it is adorable, but it's not for everybody, so yeah. :)

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So anywhere here is my current WIP, which is a dragon I'm drawing for a friend from church. :)

Here is the sketch:

And here is the lineart and colours so far. :) Some people have said that I should add something to the top of the head or something.

Title: Re: (nudity) Kilkakon's Art
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 23, 2013, 03:33:55 AM

I'm not sure about horns or whatever.  I guess it depends on how it looks when it's further along - I know you work well enough to be able to tell that this isn't that close to being finished.

Title: Re: (nudity) Kilkakon's Art
Post by: JarlWolf on September 23, 2013, 03:57:31 AM

I have no knowledge of the type of dragon you intend to draw, whether it's a specific "species" but I think a cool addition horns wise would be bony ridges on the back of it's skull/head and maybe some form of curved horns on the sides: Sort of like male, bull rams. Not massive ones mind, but just some jutting out the side should make some interesting addition to the form for the creature.

Title: Re: (nudity) Kilkakon's Art
Post by: Kilkakon on September 23, 2013, 04:04:06 AM

This isn't any dragon in particular. :) I was just asked to make a tough-looking male dragon in a "ready to pounce", stalking sort of pose. And to pick colours off the top of my head, she had no preference, haha.

I'm half digging the simple head, but I might had a bit of a bony ridge. Thanks for feedback. :)

Title: Re: (nudity) Kilkakon's Art
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 23, 2013, 04:37:30 AM

With horns, I've had luck before making them an extension of a heavy brow ridge.  I might have a picture somewhere of a mask I did that way...

Title: Re: (nudity) Kilkakon's Art
Post by: ariete on September 23, 2013, 02:46:13 PM

having a small head there is little space there in the middle, it seems that the bone crest is the only nice thing to do

Title: Re: (nudity) Kilkakon's Art
Post by: Kilkakon on September 23, 2013, 03:38:39 PM

I've added a few more of those little spikes on the top of the head. I like the empty-ish head, but I did add a little bit. :)

Also did some basic shading, will add some more tomorrow.

Title: Re: (nudity) Kilkakon's Art
Post by: Green1 on September 24, 2013, 11:16:33 AM

My only issue is that I know you are a fan of anatomically correct.

The deal is most reptilian creatures have retracted or inverted reproductive organs that they store in their body for safe keeping and only whip out when it is time to do the deed. So it is not correct :D

Actually, it is a safer way to handle things. If I was a bad ass lizard creature that kicked enormous amount of tail, I would hate for my villainous rampage to be stopped by some hero that could just kick me in the nads.

Reminds me of a DnD game I was playing. One of my friends ad fellow DMs wanted me to play a guest villain, a green dragon. Long story short is that the monk character made a called shot to certain lower regions on the dragon with his foot. Since the dragon was male, it was ruled I would be stunned for 1d4 rounds insuring my hide as the newest dragon leather armor for one of the PCs. If I was not so amped on coffee and enjoying time with friends I would have brought up the retracted organ thing. Then I could have Total Party Killed my friends little DnD group and made it into an afterlife campaign :D

Title: Re: (nudity) Kilkakon's Art
Post by: Kilkakon on September 24, 2013, 11:54:33 AM

Haha love the DnD story. I didn't realise that the game had provisions for groin attacks haha. ALL my DnD characters better watch out now... :O

Good call on the anatomical correct thing. It's true that God was really creative when he was coming up with all the different penis designs for the species that we have. Reptiles have completely internal gear which invalidates the way I draw genitalia on a good chunk of my characters, pokemon or otherwise. However I think foreskins are cute which is why I do things that way. Scienifitically incorrect sure, but it's what I prefer.

On a side note, I'm gearing up to finish this beastie off shortly. :)

Title: Re: (nudity) Kilkakon's Art
Post by: Green1 on September 24, 2013, 12:53:31 PM

3rd Edition rules did not have specifically called shots to nether regions, but it did have rules for called shots in particular. Under optional rules you could take out hands and legs and give penalties to attack or movement. For a nad shot, it would be -2 penalty to roll for called shot versus the armor class of the target. The armor class would be adjusted to size. The dragon's penor was small (not in actual terms but in game terms: ie the size of a small halfling) so would have an additional +4 bonus to armor class in addition to the dragon.s natural armor. So, the monk had to hit at 6 higher than a normal shot.

4th edition, this would probably be an encounter power at a negative to hit (dexterity -2 versus reflex) to stun 1d4 ad 1[w] damage. Monk rules could probably be augmented with psi points so you could spend 1 power point to probably increase damage or make this a automatic critical hit. Target would probably get fortitude save to negate stun.

DnD next would use a disadvantage mechanic where you would roll 2 d20s and take the lowest versus the target's armor class plus size modifier of the target (+4). Target would get a constitution save versus stun.

God, I am a nerd.

Title: Re: (nudity) Kilkakon's Art
Post by: Kilkakon on September 24, 2013, 12:58:02 PM

I've only played 3.5 so I understood the first paragraph. XD But cheers for the explaination.

Title: Re: (nudity) Kilkakon's Art
Post by: Green1 on September 24, 2013, 01:17:34 PM

Quote from: Kilkakon on September 24, 2013, 12:58:02 PM

I've only played 3.5 so I understood the first paragraph. XD But cheers for the explaination.

It is all good. 4th edition, while I think the tactical rules are far superior to 3rd's was not well received by the old school. The battle mat tactical game of 4e I will take any day over 3e. SO MUCH lovely tactics I feel like I am playing Final Fantasty Tactics for PS! And deep..... You have marking, zones, and a much better clarified minis rules. Much better balance too. 3e tended to be you were either a wizard or cleric or druid or you were worthless past level 10 or so. Let's not go into the unnecessary calculus of the 3rd edition Epic Level Handbook! 4e supports demigods up to 30 in the basic PHB 1 book.

I also made a mistake in my 4th edition description of that encounter power. The encounter power would not be augmented, but in 4e monk powers have both a move variant and attack variant. (nerds call me on that if I am incorrect. the 4E PHB 3 and psionics is not my strong suit. I am also not sure if 4e essentials changed this).

5e (DnD next) is on spot, though for it's current beta.

Title: Re: (nudity) Kilkakon's Art
Post by: Kilkakon on September 24, 2013, 03:38:28 PM

Here he is! I am happy with this now. :D

Title: Re: (nudity) Kilkakon's Art
Post by: Mylochka on September 24, 2013, 03:52:24 PM

I particularly like the dragon's pose.  Very menacing!

I'd suggested letting the skin come down further on the dragon's claws -- like this. Make them look more gnarled.

Title: Re: (nudity) Kilkakon's Art
Post by: Kilkakon on September 24, 2013, 03:57:53 PM

Hey thanks for the suggestion! I have posted it now so I will see what the friend who this is for thinks. :) If she wants changes I might try something just like that~

Title: Re: (nudity) Kilkakon's Art
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 24, 2013, 05:36:22 PM

I like the effect the shading lend to a basically cartoon style image, of giving it real depth.  It makes all the difference in the world to the quality.



I removed a redundant img link because the large display messed up the page width and made reading way too much work.

Title: Re: (nudity) Kilkakon's Art
Post by: Kilkakon on September 25, 2013, 12:23:55 AM

Yeah little point having inline images when it shows it in the attachment anyway.

Title: Re: (nudity) Kilkakon's Art
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 25, 2013, 12:27:26 AM

Is anything else in the works?  ;excite;

Title: Re: (nudity) Kilkakon's Art
Post by: Kilkakon on September 25, 2013, 12:36:39 AM

Mhmm--- somebody on DA wanted a redux of an Eevee girl (http://kilkakon.com/art.php?id=58) I had done before. :) So I might do that next.

Although there was something web related somebody wanted me to do first...

Title: Re: (nudity) Kilkakon's Art
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 25, 2013, 12:38:11 AM

I like.

You should always keep your promises, though, ;) so I'm torn...

Title: Re: Kilkakon's Art (some nudity)
Post by: Kilkakon on October 31, 2013, 12:14:47 PM

A pic I did recently. :) It was drawn live, so no in progress things sorry (I forgot too :() but hey, something to look at. :) And it accidently fits the times.

Title: Re: Kilkakon's Art (some nudity)
Post by: ariete on October 31, 2013, 04:45:17 PM

i didn't remember there's a your own photo on your webpage (another one naked).

one day you're going to explain me this phrase '' I believe that nudity is totally innocent and that it's only when it's turned into something sexual that it becomes perverted''

Title: Re: Kilkakon's Art (some nudity)
Post by: Kilkakon on October 31, 2013, 11:37:54 PM

Okay, hopefully this makes sense. :)

Sex is porn
Nudity is not sex
Therefore nudity is not porn

Title: Re: Kilkakon's Art (some nudity)
Post by: ariete on November 01, 2013, 12:54:46 PM

ah ok it's just a ''public-ethic'' justification about your artistic classicism.

italy is full of naked statues and paintings, artists pursuanced during the centuries their art conception inherited from ancients cultures of greek/roman classicism, also at own risk expecially during dark era, and they reproduce just nudity, obviously male nudity, but in that era nudity was perversion. there was a pope, i don't remembre his name, who made cut genitals to all statues in the papal seat ... i wonder what happened to all them ;cute

Title: Re: Kilkakon's Art (some nudity)
Post by: Kilkakon on November 16, 2013, 01:44:28 PM

Today I did this picture of a sandshrew for a random on DA. :D

I also have made a start on the Lost Eden Title Screen. Attached is a basic mockup of what it'd look like... what do you all think? It's the last big thing to do for the project so I'd want to make sure you guys liked it.

Title: Re: Kilkakon's Art (some nudity)
Post by: Kilkakon on October 16, 2014, 05:34:33 PM

It's been a while. :) Thought I'd start to post some of my art up here if people were curious.

Title: Re: Kilkakon's Art (some nudity)
Post by: Green1 on October 17, 2014, 05:16:34 PM

There is a market (not monetary, but interest wise) for "art" such as this on the image board 4 chan. Now, 4 chan makes no distinction between "porn" or "art" as what you are doing is all what they call "rule 34". Also, deviant art has a subculture into that and would probably be a nicer venue.

However, if you post pics there, do not bring them here. The chans are notorious for lulz trolls and people who like to take steaming dumps in nice forum boards just because. Even Deviant Art has a drama and narcissism to the community. I do not want BU to stress out.

That said, there does come a time when the nudity CAN distract from the overall message and can leave people with the impression that there is an obsession with p3nises. I get that impression from your "art". I also do not feel it is in your best interest to be known as that "rule 34 naked pedobear pokemon" guy and would distract from other talents you possess.

This is not me saying you should "BALEET F'NG EVERYTHINNG!!!!" or damage any self worth or esteem in any way. It is me saying, your talents would be served by diversifying and not making penors the focus of EVERY one of your images. Believe me, others will not be as nice or diplomatic. If you are trolling nerdz, awesome. But, I would love to see some more serious artwork out of you.

Title: Re: Kilkakon's Art (some nudity)
Post by: Green1 on October 17, 2014, 05:22:07 PM

Oh yes.... and in before.....

Title: Re: Kilkakon's Art (some nudity)
Post by: Kilkakon on October 17, 2014, 05:50:39 PM

Haha very well. I'll withdraw it. He did ask me to post it but yeah I'm more than happy to keep what I do on DA... I honestly live in fear of people misusing my characters anyway, one of the main reasons I pulled the thing.