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Title: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Trenacker on March 02, 2023, 12:02:55 AM
This is a new home for comments made in relation to the fan fiction presented here (https://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=21792.0).

Racing the Darkness is a fan-driven photo essay set in the fictional universe of Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri, a game designed by Brian Reynolds.
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 02, 2023, 12:10:10 AM
Don't forget to crosslink and urge comment here back in the OP of the mothership thread...


Here's the ultimate product of my Sister Miriam De-uglified series I mentioned.  The swept bangs alone do a lot to redeem her looks...
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 02, 2023, 12:15:51 AM
But Lal never made sense to me as XO. It seems too obvious that, to the well-educated, he was recognizable as a problematic quantity, even if it might not have been clear to them that he was a full-blown sociopath. I don't see why the U.N. would have put someone like Lal in such a position.
OH - you meant YANG and your fingers forgot.  Now it all makes sense.  I don't disgree at all.  Perhaps his hive tendencies didn't show until he got his shot to practice them on Planet?  He's very capable otherwise, I do think, what with his attitude towards self discipline and self improvement.



Back on Miriam?  I've been on the record as long as I've been in the community -see my Sister Miriam De-uglified thread redone on this forum- that, coming at it as a faction modder artist who's made a lot of leaderheads, Miriam is also a visual hatchet job.  She's Dana Carvey's Church Lady character with red hair and an army, not coincidentally played by the least attractive-looking human being of the original seven.

Yes, Yang. Apologies for the error. Based on the fictional biography prepared by Michael Ely for the SMAC website, the psych screeners already perceived that there was something "off" about Yang. They just calculated that he was worth the risk. Still, it seems odd that they would freight Garland with a guy they knew would make an ideal mutineer.

Yes, that is fair to say about Miriam, who is every bit as much a stereotype as the beautiful Hippie or the collectivist Asian.
Good catch - I suppose one could say they were simply dealing in archetypes, but one could also say in the same breath that that's lazy and looks kinda bigoted...
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 02, 2023, 12:29:43 AM
As for freighting Garland with Yang - it's there in the source material somewhat, and you've very much underlined in RTD, that mission planning was a political circle-jerk/nightmare...
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Trenacker on March 02, 2023, 02:17:00 AM
Sure. But I think a guy like d'Almeida, who is also problematic for Garland, is nevertheless more realistic than Yang, a known sociopath.
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 04, 2023, 05:53:54 PM
I like your latest https://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=21792.msg136471#msg136471 as a broad overview of issues informing/in play for your various characters and their individual styles...
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Trenacker on March 05, 2023, 02:31:02 AM
Thanks.

Back in 2014, when we used all this material as the inspiration for a Megagame, one of the biggest pieces of feedback I got was, "Tell us more about what happened before mission launch so that we know how we should feel about these other societies."

It cuts against the idea that every faction should interact purely on the basis of ideology, but once you try to tell a story involving some of the world's most important people, all of whom were born so many decades prior, it's inevitable that readers will ask questions about who they are, where they come from, and how they feel about one another.
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 08, 2023, 01:16:26 AM
it's there in the source material somewhat, and you've very much underlined in RTD, that mission planning was a political circle-jerk/nightmare...
And MysticWind's latest two sliiide right in with that...
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: MysticWind on March 14, 2023, 02:17:13 AM
Are the Society of Free Thinkers intended to be the same group as the Society of Free Thought?
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Trenacker on March 18, 2023, 12:50:57 AM
Are the Society of Free Thinkers intended to be the same group as the Society of Free Thought?

No. Thank you for catching that. I've renamed mine to "the Joining."
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Trenacker on March 18, 2023, 12:51:18 AM
More than one year of Racing the Darkness!  ;danc
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 19, 2023, 02:27:02 AM
 ;cheerlead
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 10, 2023, 02:48:43 AM
Is nukes in Korea the divergence point for the timeline?  I'd been meaning to ask when it was - something to do w/ Vietnam mentioned recently?

(McArthur must have been quite happy, the scumbag that he was.)
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Trenacker on May 10, 2023, 11:00:16 PM
Honestly, probably not.

Brazil and Peru still belong to Portugal and Spain, respectively, so the points of divergence reach at least as far back as the early nineteenth century.
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 10, 2023, 11:12:27 PM
Hmm.  Pedro having a better day and Bolivar dying sooner would take care of that.
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Trenacker on May 12, 2023, 12:17:54 AM
I ended up using the Chincha War for Peru's reconquest. Mostly because it's fun and obscure.

A lot of the conflicts I've presented are cyclical. Another internal conflict in Quebec, leading to seccession. Two wars in Biafra, again leading to secession. India and China get into it again in 2017, too.

I've been working very, very slowly on a map. Had to begin with the real world, then shave off landmass due to global warming. Still doing that. Final step is adding all the new artificial islands.
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: MysticWind on May 12, 2023, 09:19:31 AM
Élodie (https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Élodie_(CivBE)) is actually my adaptation of the leader of the Civilization: Beyond Earth sponsor Franco-Iberia (https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Franco-Iberia_(CivBE)). Firaxis intro lore (https://civilization.com/civilization-beyond-earth/news/entries/franco-iberia-s-elodie-shares-her-thoughts-on-culture/).
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: nweismuller on June 12, 2023, 09:50:04 AM
The detail about quality of boots and masks being a focus for the Confederation of the Land, as presented by MysticWind, is for a simple reason.  On Chiron, a bad pressure mask will kill you, and a good set of boots is a vital asset to somebody who's going to be spending a large amount of their time doing outdoor hiking in the rough.  Both of these are vital survival assets and will be precious to such survivors.  By contrast, if clothing gets worn and threadbare and is relatively simple, that's much less of an immediate drawback.  These two possessions where simple necessity demands attention to quality then means they're likely to be focused on for further attention and decoration- especially the mask, which is absolutely vital to a Chironian outdoorsman.
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 13, 2023, 12:00:35 AM
What would a datalinks node on Chiron look like?
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Trenacker on June 13, 2023, 03:23:32 AM
Do you mean the machinery or the "website" itself?
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 13, 2023, 03:35:26 AM
I was vaguely thinking about the design of a forum, yeah.




-Creating the new letters was a job, I tell you...
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Trenacker on June 15, 2023, 11:55:33 PM
Like a 1998 Geocities website, of course. :)
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 16, 2023, 09:26:30 PM
I had one of those about that year.
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Trenacker on June 17, 2023, 01:50:50 AM
I think webrings would be a major feature of Chironian networks, helping Librarians group pages by subject matter.

With so many proprietary operating systems with their own history of successful national adoption, the Planetary Networks probably resemble distributed nodes than seamless information superhighways.
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Trenacker on June 19, 2023, 04:09:19 PM
Quite apart from the amusing reference to the QAnon Shaman in reply #368 (https://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=21792.360)—a reminder that works of fiction inevitably bear the unhappy, sometimes ludicrous, scars of reality—I appreciated the irony of the Human Tribe passing on their trauma.

I also love how the Peacekeepers can’t help but make a condescending nuisance of themselves. That criticism lies very near the heart, I think, of the conservative American critique of “pointy-headed intellectualism.” (I say that analytically, not approvingly.) Dole Yudikon/Carnaveron and the Struan’s Charterists raise similar objections to the government promulgated by Pravin Lal, pointing out that it takes quite a bit of hubris to write prescriptions for the lives of others under the banner of a supposed “greater good.” The mother of my best friend growing up was born the same year that Lebanon achieved independence from France. She remarked that the country’s material development had almost certainly been harmed by the split, but that the psychological benefits of self-determination were valuable beyond measure to the Lebanese themselves.

I find Zakharov’s reaction to the Landsmen interesting because I have coded him in this fiction as a recluse. (A not-unusual outcome for any character afflicted by delusions of intellectual superiority, which in this case have a certain kind of truth value.) Both Zakharov and Pahlavi have elements in their backgrounds to suggest that they would not be accepting of folkways. Pahlavi’s Service Record includes mention that, as an officer of the ARC, she directed its forces to administer immunizations against the will of refugees in federal care. She has spent most of this story bottled up in the high mountains, and her faction as a whole gained a pronounced indifference to the fates of “mere” humans, whereas the Peacekeepers take the more evangelical approach to public health matters, but it wouldn’t be out-of-keeping with Pahlavi’s backstory to take her in that other direction.
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: MysticWind on June 20, 2023, 02:42:31 AM
I also love how the Peacekeepers can’t help but make a condescending nuisance of themselves. That criticism lies very near the heart, I think, of the conservative American critique of “pointy-headed intellectualism.” (I say that analytically, not approvingly.)

The Confederation of the Land's tribalist neo-primitivism is both sincere and a societal-level LARP, and ultimately it results in a familiar colonialist-native dynamic, at least when there's sharp disparities in development and tech levels between others and them. So it's pretty natural for U.N. agencies to appear as ignorantly benevolent do-gooders when confronted with the atavistic Landsmen.

I find Zakharov’s reaction to the Landsmen interesting because I have coded him in this fiction as a recluse.

The Silenus Plateau is likened to Antarctica because it becomes an unlikely collaboration point between multiple factions. That's probably owing both to its physical remoteness to the respective core territories, thus allowing frontier policies that might not be in line with attitudes at home. I didn't intentionally start with this concept but it sort of emerged in the story. Hence the Human Tribe, Peacekeepers, Morganites, and I suppose the University as well all have idiosyncratic and opportunist local leadership open to mutual cooperation to exploit the region's resources. Remember that on the frontier, Zakharov isn't really in control, the specific outposts' researchers run the show. As is the case at Biotic Survey.

She has spent most of this story bottled up in the high mountains, and her faction as a whole gained a pronounced indifference to the fates of “mere” humans, whereas the Peacekeepers take the more evangelical approach to public health matters, but it wouldn’t be out-of-keeping with Pahlavi’s backstory to take her in that other direction.

Maybe a simple reference grid of faction relations would be helpful for this setting when it comes to understanding the factions' general attitudes towards one another, or even whether they are in contact with one another.

Again, the setting of New Amnesty is intentional for fostering unique relationships local to the frontier, which might not be applicable in the metropoles.
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Trenacker on June 21, 2023, 01:05:14 AM
I also love how the Peacekeepers can’t help but make a condescending nuisance of themselves. That criticism lies very near the heart, I think, of the conservative American critique of “pointy-headed intellectualism.” (I say that analytically, not approvingly.)

The Confederation of the Land's tribalist neo-primitivism is both sincere and a societal-level LARP, and ultimately it results in a familiar colonialist-native dynamic, at least when there's sharp disparities in development and tech levels between others and them. So it's pretty natural for U.N. agencies to appear as ignorantly benevolent do-gooders when confronted with the atavistic Landsmen.

I find Zakharov’s reaction to the Landsmen interesting because I have coded him in this fiction as a recluse.

The Silenus Plateau is likened to Antarctica because it becomes an unlikely collaboration point between multiple factions. That's probably owing both to its physical remoteness to the respective core territories, thus allowing frontier policies that might not be in line with attitudes at home. I didn't intentionally start with this concept but it sort of emerged in the story. Hence the Human Tribe, Peacekeepers, Morganites, and I suppose the University as well all have idiosyncratic and opportunist local leadership open to mutual cooperation to exploit the region's resources. Remember that on the frontier, Zakharov isn't really in control, the specific outposts' researchers run the show. As is the case at Biotic Survey.

She has spent most of this story bottled up in the high mountains, and her faction as a whole gained a pronounced indifference to the fates of “mere” humans, whereas the Peacekeepers take the more evangelical approach to public health matters, but it wouldn’t be out-of-keeping with Pahlavi’s backstory to take her in that other direction.

Maybe a simple reference grid of faction relations would be helpful for this setting when it comes to understanding the factions' general attitudes towards one another, or even whether they are in contact with one another.

Again, the setting of New Amnesty is intentional for fostering unique relationships local to the frontier, which might not be applicable in the metropoles.

What we chiefly need is a map, but I can cook up a quick matrix this evening.

Re: Zakharov, it's established that his control is theoretical at the margins. I just think he'd become agitated if he learned that there were factions out there injecting themselves with potentially harmful chemicals and calling it progress. But would he care enough to do anything about it? Probably not in this iteration of the story.
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Trenacker on June 21, 2023, 03:27:42 AM
Okay.

I put together a first cut at the faction relations matrix on the GoogleDoc (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LWcodYnnBmKA68YJPNOjnrcY7HwvI3Pt/edit?usp=drive_link&ouid=118092342676983150596&rtpof=true&sd=true). "Faction Relations" tab.

Probably I'm overlooking some items in the lore already, so if you spot an inconsistency, let me know.

As a point of interest, most factions hate both the Spartans and the Tribals even if they've never met them on-Planet.
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 27, 2023, 08:08:40 PM
Lamarckianism, the transmission of physical traits from parent to child.
-Incomplete; you surely meant "the transmission of changed physical traits from parent to child." - or something better-phrased on those lines.
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 27, 2023, 08:12:09 PM
"the transmission of physical adaptions from parent to child."?
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 02, 2023, 03:07:58 PM
The tradition in the SMACX fan community is Fungal Gin.
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - Comments, Questions, and Engagement
Post by: Trenacker on September 03, 2023, 04:07:10 PM
I dislike gin. I decided on beer, partly because it fits what I think the Tribe and Pilgrims would drink. I'm sure fungal gin is also made, however.

Re: Lamarckianism, you are correct there was an error. It should have originally read "...the transmission of acquired physical traits, such as from use or disuse, from parent to child."
Title: Re: Racing the Darkness - An Alpha Centauri Photologue
Post by: Geo on June 16, 2025, 10:34:55 AM
I'm kinda curious now if it wouldn't be possible to let some picture AI tool create more Chiron-like environments as we know it from the game.
Makes the visuals of your work here less going all over the world.
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