Alpha Centauri 2

Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri & Alien Crossfire => Command Nexus => Topic started by: Mart on May 12, 2019, 05:23:32 PM

Title: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Mart on May 12, 2019, 05:23:32 PM

This thread is for "double duel" MP game:

roninscg - Hive, Spartans
Kirov - Believers, Data Angels

On Veterans map with removed central island, which is replaced with deep ocean.
Notes:
- All techs available from the start.
- Map is "visible", no dark tiles, but they are covered with "fog" until visited.
- Starting units increased, but Spartans have one rover instead of scout infantry and DA have one probe team, which defaults to elite for this tech level.
- Your factions have no contact with each other, so let it be additional task for your factions to enable trade, one has to send a unit to contact. I assume, the alphax.txt has enabled "No commlink before contact" feature for MP.
- The setup is: left side Hive-Sparta, right Believers-Data Angels.

Everything seems ok, I send passwords in PMs.

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on May 13, 2019, 02:49:56 PM

Thank you so much, Mart, and let's take it away!

roninscg, as is tradition - GG, GL, HF and most of all, IMBY:

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lkhbD9vkfc#)

Let the more wretched one win! I can't wait to compete for that label. :danc:

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on May 13, 2019, 02:51:44 PM

My alpha.txt has the commlinks enabled from the start (that is the default), so let's make sure our halves meet in game before trade (I've just read about that in Mart's post).

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: roninscg on May 14, 2019, 06:25:26 AM

Thank you, Mart,

 GG, GL, HF

Before we start, we need to discuss something,

I honestly think that we need to ban SP space elevator

what do you think about that?
I  think there's no need to explain why,

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on May 17, 2019, 05:33:34 PM

Sorry for the late response, we've got another political turmoil in PL and my mind is away from SMAC. Yes, let's. However, it's not the only SP I was worried about. What do you think about Cloning Vats? Seem definitely OP to me. And we can go through the list again and share thoughts. Mart put some effort in this game, no need to break it all with, well, game-breakers.

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: roninscg on May 19, 2019, 06:36:07 AM

we start like this, and we see? agree?

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on May 19, 2019, 01:09:23 PM

Well, it can be too late to reconsider (we should't ban the Cloning Vats after one of us gets them;)), but ok, let's roll with it. At last!

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on May 23, 2019, 12:05:05 AM

I'm here, ready to roll, we can start (although I''m away to the mountains for the weekend, so also take your time;))

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: roninscg on May 23, 2019, 11:58:30 AM

 ;miriam;

sorry for delay,

It's not easy to start  :P

heavy week at work  :-\

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on May 23, 2019, 01:55:49 PM

Yeah, I understand, I was kinda busy myself. Just checking you're there and didn't want to hurry you up, especially when I'm away until Monday. ;) Hear you then. Oh, mean, death to you and your cursed minions.

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on May 28, 2019, 02:47:34 PM

You were right, it wasn't easy to start. What production did you start at your base? I'm paying 20 for that. 25 and I'm cutting my throat for you.

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: roninscg on May 30, 2019, 09:08:39 PM

 ;miriam;

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on May 30, 2019, 11:40:07 PM

There is no shame in surrendering, you know.

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: roninscg on May 31, 2019, 06:46:30 AM

Quote from: Kirov on May 30, 2019, 11:40:07 PM

There is no shame in surrendering, you know.

 ;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol

 :wave: :wave: :wave:

I've certainly put the same thing as  you to product  ;)

By now you should know me better  ::)

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on May 31, 2019, 03:38:28 PM

So a quickie, then? Well, the Cloning Vats are nearing completion, so I hope they come in handy.

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on June 01, 2019, 03:39:36 PM

It came to me that we should address one issue, so let's talk:

I think we made a mistake by agreeing on a scenario which can be over in 3 turns. All we have to do is rushbuy an Aero-Complex and then rushbuy a decent drop unit in order to eradicate enemy's HQ. I saw that option but decided to refrain from it, because if we did so, the game would literally last less than it took Mart to create it.

I don't mind if you're sending Gravships or whatever as we speak, it's on me to be prepared, but if this game is over by orbital insertion within several turns, I'm not gonna ask Mart to set up a game ever again. Maybe we should have agreed to some more rules, right now we so many options to make this game as quick as unsatisfying. What do you think? I understand you like quickies, but like I said, I consider a game shorter than 30-40 turns a waste of everyone's time (including Mart's), so maybe we can compromise on expectations. For me it's just... not this type of a game.

I think it is a botched idea from the get-go when each other's HQs can be easily reached by a couple of turns' walk from each other since the beginning. It didn't work well for our waterworld game (where you won by essentially a Zergling rush) and it 's high chance that it's gonna work badly here.

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on June 07, 2019, 12:11:54 PM

I'm leaving for a month but will be able to play more or less; see the other thread for details.

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: roninscg on June 08, 2019, 12:08:27 PM

 ;)

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: roninscg on June 08, 2019, 12:11:56 PM

but that's not my real turn  :D
as you said, this game is designed to play a fundamental and strategic, overwhelming and more

p.s sorry for the delay  ::)

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: roninscg on June 08, 2019, 12:42:40 PM

to  ;miriam;

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on June 14, 2019, 05:30:41 PM

Hey man, I already had 3 crashes to desktop with my turns. I don't know what causes them, seems like a certain combination of movement sequences.

I can try more if you don't mind, and I can try saving every couple of moves to reduce turn reload. However, I'd need to know that you're ok with reloads that will still happen. I don't want a month break in our game, but my laptop is being very sassy.

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: roninscg on June 16, 2019, 11:53:51 AM

ok, Look what patch you got on laptop,

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on June 19, 2019, 07:13:37 PM

I patched it up to 3.5d, but the ingame display shows 3.5c. I guess I'm not the only one with this issue, as a guy called saiko asked Yitzi about the same.

Can you check your version as displayed ingame?

3.5d differs from 3.5c only with the exe file, right?

To be honest, I don't think that the version is the problem. Part of it is, Win10 doesn't like that much when I play SMAC and always tries to find some issues. And another thing is, in the course of his work Yitzi accumulated a lot of bugs which I'm not really happy about. He screwed up the faction borders (they are drawn differently although he promised not to interfere with game design) and my info screens are messed up, with fonts etc. all over the place.

What is your experience?

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on June 19, 2019, 07:20:23 PM

I can push my science exemplar turns only because they're much shorter, I think.

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on July 11, 2019, 03:40:09 PM

I'm so sorry for this, man. My laptop straight up refused to do this game.

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: roninscg on July 18, 2019, 07:00:22 AM

No problemo  :D

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on July 22, 2019, 10:09:41 PM

I have no idea how to play this game.

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: roninscg on July 31, 2019, 03:37:03 PM

I was on vacation, Montenegro, I had no way to play.  :D


 ;liftoff

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: roninscg on August 01, 2019, 08:30:42 PM

Quote from: Kirov on July 22, 2019, 10:09:41 PM

I have no idea how to play this game.

you can always surrender  :D  :bike: :whip: ;hippy

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on August 05, 2019, 09:03:09 PM

Or we can start all over! It's much easier than surrendering.

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: roninscg on August 07, 2019, 07:47:18 AM

just kidding,
 is about to become interesting

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on August 09, 2019, 10:53:20 AM

Quote from: roninscg on August 07, 2019, 07:47:18 AM

is about to become interesting

WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO ME? *starts to sob*

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: roninscg on August 09, 2019, 09:55:40 PM

 ;roze; ;miriam;

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on August 10, 2019, 12:49:09 PM

To my dearest friend, Chairman Shen Ji-Yang.  :luv:

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: roninscg on August 14, 2019, 03:44:02 PM

 :D


you're a good player, good thinking .

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on August 14, 2019, 05:11:07 PM

Let me ask you one thing - if you have just instabuilt an airborne unit, would you airdrop it to me? Because I can totally do that and I'm really on the fence here. Do we have any kind of agreement in place or not?

I'm not the fan of all-tech precisely due to issues like that. Next time we roll (and I hope we do, this is fun), we go back to the normal tech progress.

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: roninscg on August 16, 2019, 09:07:21 PM

Quote from: Kirov on August 14, 2019, 05:11:07 PM

Let me ask you one thing - if you have just instabuilt an airborne unit, would you airdrop it to me? Because I can totally do that and I'm really on the fence here. Do we have any kind of agreement in place or not?

Everything is possible, but you just to know , airdrops may be made within eight squares. With the discovery of Graviton Theory or the construction of The Space Elevator, units with Drop Pods can make orbital insertions anywhere on Planet.

but I think you can easily defend yourself against any attack.

Of course every game is for fun, we can start one more at a time, same parameters just without all science



and of course I already infiltrated and saw what you were doing.

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on August 18, 2019, 12:11:19 PM

Quote from: roninscg on August 16, 2019, 09:07:21 PM

and of course I already infiltrated and saw what you were doing.

What do you mean, how? Ooh, airdrop probe teams, jesus christ I'm lame at this game, I want to surrender before he humiliates me completely, I want to go home, this Planet is too scary

Yes. Yes, of course. I have infiltrated your infiltration and saw that you see. Ha, imagine a player who wouldn't immediately do just that. We are both very good players arent we high five

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: roninscg on August 19, 2019, 07:57:32 AM

 ;aaa

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on August 19, 2019, 08:49:15 PM

I have no idea what is it that you're afraid of (if anything), but I want you to know that I will do more of it if you don't stop being mean to me! Pretty please.

Also, the Telepathic Matrix will be ready soon. Sorry for not reporting previous projects, it's because of the double turn.

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: roninscg on August 23, 2019, 06:28:07 AM

i am not mean to you, on the contrary,  :D

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on September 03, 2019, 04:42:08 PM

Sorry for the delay. I'm away until 15 Sept. I'm taking my laptop, but I doubt I'll be able to do my turns, so take your time.

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: roninscg on September 25, 2019, 06:34:52 AM

 ;miriam;

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on September 29, 2019, 01:58:35 PM

At last we have all met! Let our human family unite under the benevolent leadership of Sister Miriam!

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: roninscg on October 13, 2019, 04:32:52 PM

you were right, hard to play,

I don't even know how to play  ???

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on October 16, 2019, 07:19:35 PM

Yeah man, I hear you. I had some good ideas but I also screwed up hilariously bad (like with the Cloning Vats, wtf kirov?). Anyhow, I think the game is just not designed for the players to have immediate access to each other (because that's what's the issue here, same as in our water game). I believe we should have outlined some clear thresholds to use force. As it is, it's just politeness that we didn't attack each other at Turn 2. I've been constantly in fear of your attack and simultaneously pulling my punches, with no clear concept on how to behave.

But since you dropped a base right behind my back, I'm guessing you want war. :D Especially since you didn't vote on Miriam in this election (why so mean?).

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: roninscg on November 03, 2019, 11:15:00 AM

I agree with you, i based the strategy on a SP, and I realized that SP is
useless  ;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol  because of all the science scenario  ;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol


Despite everything, eventually the game will grow into a slowe builder game. I doubt that we can harm one another.

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on November 10, 2019, 02:35:10 PM

Damn, I've run into a problem. Whenever I hit 'end turn' for Roze, I have a crash to desktop. I was forced to replay it and and I saved several times throughout the turn, but so far nothing good comes out of it. Will try more combinations, expect a trillion reload messages.

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on November 10, 2019, 02:45:07 PM

I tried ending the turn without any moves and I tried another copy of SMAX, to no avail. I'll wait for Mart to show up and will ask him to check it out.

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: roninscg on November 11, 2019, 12:27:51 PM

If you want, I can repeat the move, and send new save file.

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on November 11, 2019, 02:37:50 PM

I checked by just opening and ending both turns and it seems that you don't need to replay, the problem is on my side/something I do. I will carefully redo the turns and save a lot during the process. I hope it works.

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: roninscg on November 19, 2019, 06:35:51 PM

you probably attack me, that is
trigger for crashing game  ;) :D 8) :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on November 20, 2019, 07:49:23 PM

Oh no. No no no. No no no no. No. Just no. No no no. I would never attack you without a prior proper authorisation from the Council.

***

Look, I just can't get myself around to try out which moves crash the turn and which don't. Can I ask you a favour, in that we would refrain from any moves this turn, apart from the absolute crucial ones like fending off any worms lurking around? You can move your formers, too. Sorry for that, recently my mind is completely elsewhere (I'm writing/pretending to write my MA thesis in Social Studies; it's gonna take a while). And I'm skipping two very nice supply pods, so it's me who's losing more.

***

And no, no no no.

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: roninscg on February 08, 2020, 07:09:20 PM

Kirov, ar you still here?

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on February 11, 2020, 09:35:50 PM

Yeah man, I'm here. I'm just kinda unsure what to do with this game. I mean, self-restriction doesn't work well if the rules are hazy. Right now I have a bunch of instabuilt heavy units and - should I attack you (despite my nature)? Or be a gentleman (as always) and wait until you build up and decide not to be a gentleman? Questions, questions...

Logically speaking, an all-tech scenario should be over in 2 turns - you rushbuy a drop unit, you drop it, boom, over. Anything else is a gentlemen's agreement and I feel like that should have some rules.

What do you think? With infiltration, I think you can see what I have.

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: roninscg on February 13, 2020, 06:58:52 AM

Quote from: Kirov on February 11, 2020, 09:35:50 PM

Yeah man, I'm here. I'm just kinda unsure what to do with this game. I mean, self-restriction doesn't work well if the rules are hazy. Right now I have a bunch of instabuilt heavy units and - should I attack you (despite my nature)? Or be a gentleman (as always) and wait until you build up and decide not to be a gentleman? Questions, questions...

Logically speaking, an all-tech scenario should be over in 2 turns - you rushbuy a drop unit, you drop it, boom, over. Anything else is a gentlemen's agreement and I feel like that should have some rules.

What do you think? With infiltration, I think you can see what I have.

hello my friend,


I don't know if you saw it, I post the turn in  which took over several yours bases, wrote it, its my a humorous turn.

http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=21266.0;attach=21081



it's hard to play, I see that you are, in fact, a very good negotiator.
as far as strategy is concerned
logically you concluded as most players would, so I honestly expected it as your first attack, so I think I have a solution.

tell me can you play the turn? Or you hawe same problems with game

p.s

How  the master's thesis progresses?

Title: Re: HSBA double duel game TTT
Post by: Kirov on February 18, 2020, 09:06:25 PM

I could only complete my turn if I didn't move any units. I have several SMAX installations with various patches and they're all a bit messy (I'm afraid it's due to the patches themselves, but I wasn't in the mood for cleaning it up).

About the turn and base taking - yeah, in essence that's what I was talking about. It seems we were both pulling our punches as the situation was unclear and we weren't sure how to proceed. For example, I've had probe teams ready to mind control one of your medium-sized bases (and jump in my strongest defenders and probes), but I chose not to because.... I don't know, I think you understand.

So we're both not doing our best and any outcome of this situation wouldn't really show anything or be exciting, it'd be just 'oh, so you attacked before me, great'. At least from my perspective.

As for the MA thesis - finally, I mean finally, I stopped screwing around (pardon, "procrastinating") and started to write, so I have high hopes to complete it within a couple of months.

I have to tell you, I'm slowly drifting away from SMAC. I don't know if it's temporary or not, but now I just don't feel it. Even when I have a mood for some RTS, Civ6 + all DLC works so much better for me. I mean, it's not S-F, I miss the faction leaders, the tech blurs and so on, but the game is 1) much richer in features (you can plant freakin' ski resorts and even hose Moai giant heads) 2) first and foremost, much more balanced. I mean, I think I grew tired of crawler management and how air power renders obsolete any kind of other strategy.

So yeah, I wasn't really upset that both our games died. Can we stay in touch to see if anything changes? I had several on/off situations with SMAC, so maybe that'll change with time. But I do have a lot on my plate IRL.