Rules for the fully patched game (including the unofficial patch):
1. A player is not permitted to establish contact with another player prior to having met them in-game.
2. A player may not use build queue manipulation or other loopholes to hurry production at a cost that would be lower than directly hurrying the item that one intends to build.
3. A player may not use build queue manipulation or other loopholes to build something you could not directly add to the build queue.
4. A player may not upgrade a particular type of unit using the design workshop, and then attack with that unit in the same turn.
5. A player is not permitted to make more than one social engineering change per line, per turn. For instance, one is not permitted to start the turn in wealth, switch to power mid-turn for the extra disbanded minerals, and then switch back to wealth that same turn, getting the refund.
6. Stockpiling in build queue allowed when building units. (of course when building sp/facility too, but it's not needed to do anything to gain those bonuses too)
7. Upgrading crawlers before adding them to hurry secret project allowed.
8. Reverse-engineering allowed.
9. Exchanging bases with AI forbidden. (It is not possible to do this in random tcp/ip anyway; this is obvious exploit cause AI trades everything; lets say I take over base level 2 with probe and then exchange this base for a base level 6 that has SP, more over I exchange it with my enemy's pact-friend so that to liberate this base my enemy would have to mess with his friend)
10. Additional move after former builds something and his flag is gray is not allowed.
Just to give you an idea, how much effort smacx engine is capable of doing to screw players up... I am making the map, and after rearranging tiles/features to cause it to place starting factions in some reasonable spots, AI can place colony pods on a tile completely surrounded by fungus. That's true, they were Spartans, so it fits them, but...
No, not necessarily. CMN has a lot to do when setting up a game and we might possibly wait a long time to find someone and then for game preparation.
Yikers. Are you saying we should commission one of those CMNs?
And yay or nay, the possibility of AIs being progenitor? (will decide by die roll before game start)I will vote also: human factions only.
The map in its first form. For check, if it is ok to play re overall features.
It mostly places factions well. It is not the easiest map. Abundant life, added fungus. And dense cloud cover, should help for quicker population growth. added rivers.
'm bout to eat and then I'll generate a scenario file as Mart said. With the cloud cover statistics and others, as Mart said.
Rules for the fully patched game (including the unofficial patch):
1. A player is not permitted to establish contact with another player prior to having met them in-game.
2. A player may not use build queue manipulation or other loopholes to hurry production at a cost that would be lower than directly hurrying the item that one intends to build.
3. A player may not use build queue manipulation or other loopholes to build something you could not directly add to the build queue.
4. A player may not upgrade a particular type of unit using the design workshop, and then attack with that unit in the same turn.
5. A player is not permitted to make more than one social engineering change per line, per turn. For instance, one is not permitted to start the turn in wealth, switch to power mid-turn for the extra disbanded minerals, and then switch back to wealth that same turn, getting the refund.
6. Stockpiling in build queue allowed when building units. (of course when building sp/facility too, but it's not needed to do anything to gain those bonuses too)
7. Upgrading crawlers before adding them to hurry secret project allowed.
8. Reverse-engineering allowed.
9. Exchanging bases with AI forbidden. (It is not possible to do this in random tcp/ip anyway; this is obvious exploit cause AI trades everything; lets say I take over base level 2 with probe and then exchange this base for a base level 6 that has SP, more over I exchange it with my enemy's pact-friend so that to liberate this base my enemy would have to mess with his friend)
10. Additional move after former builds something and his flag is gray is not allowed.
I want to just ignore rule #2, and start rolling, but what do you all think? ExCx, anything?
...Also, I agree to ignore it.
I want to just ignore rule #2, ...
a private message? he should get info in his email possibly...
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I could play Morganites. 7 factions.
I can't go for less than 4 players but I can pray for 5.
Yes please, join in! We need to know your faction, it must be a Human faction. Also, if you choose any of Gaians, Cyborgs, Hive, or Peacekeepers, the three computer players will be the remainder of those four, while if you choose another faction, the computer players will be Aki, Yang, and Lal.
If you have any insight into the rule #2 from the forum etiquette, it would be invaluable. Let us know any other balance concerns you have.
...For removing CBA from the game, it would be enough if the project is set to destroyed in scenario editor.
I'd agree to edit the Cloudbase Academy straight out of the game. Empath Guild. . . What file do I touch to remove those extra votes?
Great....For removing CBA from the game, it would be enough if the project is set to destroyed in scenario editor.
I'd agree to edit the Cloudbase Academy straight out of the game. Empath Guild. . . What file do I touch to remove those extra votes?
Later I will write how to do it, so the person starting the game can do it without seeing the map. Some trust to the person starting the game is in order, from me it is ok, I was doing similar things in the past and I know that it is possible in practice.
So I will write you, Horseshoe_Hermit, how to do it.
Ugh. Balance problems. 🤒 Leaves a bad taste in my mouth, instead of feeling excited to start. But that's all preparations complete now, yes?
(Why do Lal's people get double votes? Is a person there twice the person of other backgrounds? lol? That doesn't sound like Human rights... >_>)
I'm sorry guys, can we do a quick reload? I clicked enter a bit too fast and saw the location of Miriam's HQ. :/
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnREVb33zx0#)
what's the trick to naming the save file so that the game knows how to update the leader name or the date?
Kirov, it may be ok if you just reload the save you received and in which you set the password, so Morgan and Svensgaard would not need to replay the first turn.
We would get a warning from your reload, but that's ok, I think.
As for me, there was nothing crucial in my turn, no unity pods, etc.
Damn, sorry to hear that, H_H. You didn't have to do that, certainly you could just roll a better result for yourself and say that you're not gonna be paying for my mistakes. Anyhow, I'll make it up to you when we meet. I really forgot how to play this game.You've been confused. I redid turn 1 of the first game. We replayed turn 2 of the second game.
1) Absolutely not. This game is already bizarro kind with announcing that a Secret Project has been started, to everyone. Why do I want my rivals to allocate minerals effectively? ?? ?
2) In light of the glitch, how is this done? How do I get a communique from the actual player, and not an A.I. who will take control of a Human faction during a council vote dialogue?
As to the other rule... it's a long-standing rule in the community, for a baby reason. You know wonder races are completely in the dark in the rest of Civ, and Civ V definitely has wonder rushing by design.
Makes sense. I'm still lost on how you pay for votes.
As to the other rule... it's a long-standing rule in the community, for a baby reason. You know wonder races are completely in the dark in the rest of Civ, and Civ V definitely has wonder rushing by design.
Relax, you're home here. Most early SMACers came here from Civ2 and of course, although SMAC is so much more than "Civ2 but in space", the design is the same, good and bad concepts.
But there's a number of differences which greatly change your strategy from CIV (for one, you have a wider array of terraforming options at your disposal, which doesn't force you to specialize cities so much). And one of the most important ones is the supply crawler. In terms of project rushing, it works nothing like any element in Civ - whipping, forest clearing or faith buying. Basically in SMAC, all your bases can produce certain parts of the project at no loss, and each part is relatively cheap. You want to churn out those crawlers as soon as you get Industrial Automation, which is probably the most important tech in game. Usually you secure it and start competing for Projects before you have infiltration or any other reliable source of information.
I assure you that the goal of house rules, whatever they are, was never any kind of “wussification” of SMAC. This was once a very competitive game with a very steep learning curve (IMO much steeper than Civ2), the pinnacle of TBS for many years to come. But there were always big flaws in the design and after 20 years, I can just say that some things are broken and many of them are things you’re most likely to be unfamiliar with as they are solved differently in CIV. Air power (esp with choppers and CBA) is first to come to mind. Infiltration is hilariously OP. There are very strict tech beelines, OP techs to be navigated to among useless crap (we play blind, that it only helps so much – I always know which priority I want until late mid game). And that’s only a few.
Whenever we ban something, like EG or CBA, the basic idea is they give an advantage for cheap which otherwise is or should be much more expensive. Like, infiltrating everyone should be one of the most difficult things to pull off.
I can write more every now and then about things that you can expect to be different. I remember mostly Civ 2 and Civ 4, but just recently I bought Civ 6 + RF (which version do you play?). And you will soon get the hang of how things on Chiron can work differently. I wonder what you’ll have to say. For now, I’d ask you to trust us, we’ve played this game for a long time. :) It’s all there so we enjoy it more, not to take anything away.
And hell, if you don’t agree to follow this rule, well that’s your choice.Of course I must. You would have assumed that's how the game would run before I set it up, I have to play along.
Horseshoe_Hermit, which Civs are you familiar with? Maybe you'd like some free pointers around SMAC every now and then? Because I've bought Civ6+RF+GS recently and it struck me how different and ridiculously non-intuitive SMAC can be.Stop
Horseshoe_Hermit, which Civs are you familiar with? Maybe you'd like some free pointers around SMAC every now and then? Because I've bought Civ6+RF+GS recently and it struck me how different and ridiculously non-intuitive SMAC can be.Stop
this map is randomized only or modified?first post says: Random map. It may be, abundant fungus/native life was obtained.
... Mart, would you find 10-15 minutes to set up a HtH? This is only to ensure less random starting locations, a few clicks and that's all.Yes, is there a thread, where you discuss settings?
;morgan;... Mart, would you find 10-15 minutes to set up a HtH? This is only to ensure less random starting locations, a few clicks and that's all.
Yes, is there a thread, where you discuss settings?
And if you don't try to win, your mother won't love you.
I'm sorry, I thought I had refuge in audacity (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RefugeInAudacity). Your mother's love is unconditional.And if you don't try to win, your mother won't love you.
Why such attitude?
No need for that, mentioning Mom, Dad, and the rest of the family,And if you don't try to win, your mother won't love you.
Why such attitude?
I'm sorry, I thought I had refuge in audacity (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RefugeInAudacity). Your mother's love is unconditional.
Democracy is non-negotiable!
I'll vote Lal.
If those profits don't appear in 10 turns, I'll be disappointed.
I'm sensing there's not a lot of meaning in all that mouthing.
I thought you were dead! I was this close to file inheritance claim.