Alpha Centauri 2

Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri & Alien Crossfire => The Theory of Everything => Topic started by: Mart on December 31, 2015, 08:27:19 PM

Title: Faction - weak (relatively in military, research, average builder)
Post by: Mart on December 31, 2015, 08:27:19 PM

Preparing a scenario, maybe even that would be GotM.
To explain the question more:
Which faction (excluding aliens) is relatively weak in military, also in research, but possibly average builder. Not good builder. Maybe no faction fits that criteria, but then, which one is the closest.
The scenario would have AI faction enhanced, but the question is for the faction the human player would play, and there would be no modifications of it.

Weak militarily and in research does not mean, that negative parameters would be necessary, it could be effect of something else/combined etc. Like for example faction having problems with energy would have research effected.

Title: Re: Faction - weak (relatively in military, research, average builder)
Post by: Nexii on December 31, 2015, 09:43:41 PM

Well I never got the whole builder vs. military thing since all factions do both.  In other words none are so extreme that they don't expand and grow a little before making military.

Overall I'd rate Cult as the weakest of any faction though.  Believers as the weakest of the original seven.

Title: Re: Faction - weak (relatively in military, research, average builder)
Post by: vonbach on December 31, 2015, 09:55:49 PM

Cult is a weak faction it always was. The - industry kills it.

Title: Re: Faction - weak (relatively in military, research, average builder)
Post by: Mart on December 31, 2015, 10:37:35 PM

Maybe this thread could be somewhat differently designed. I will try to make a categorization of all these 12 factions with respect to mentioned areas.
This will take some time...

Title: Re: Faction - weak (relatively in military, research, average builder)
Post by: Mart on December 31, 2015, 10:58:03 PM

Ok, so this is for discussion:

Area	Military	Research	Builder
Strong	Spartans Believers Cycon Drones	University Cycon	Morganites Drones
Average	Gaians (Native Life) University Morganites Hive (somewhat stronger) PK Pirates Data Angels Cult (Strong Native Life)	Gaians Morganites Spartans PK Pirates Data Angels Cult	Gaians Hive University Believers PK Cycon (somewhat weaker) Data Angels
Weak	-	Hive (Energy) Believers Drones	Spartans Pirates Cult

Title: Re: Faction - weak (relatively in military, research, average builder)
Post by: vonbach on December 31, 2015, 11:50:24 PM

Even the designed thought the cult was weak as I recall. The Drones are probably the most powerful faction
in the game though.

Title: Re: Faction - weak (relatively in military, research, average builder)
Post by: Mart on December 31, 2015, 11:59:56 PM

It's not easy to assign values here, cause they are also connected. And these areas can show differently in factions depending on circumstances.
But I would not like to make special faction modifications and do not modify map too much. So some decision must be made.

Do you see any faction in this table that should be put in some other category? I mean between strong/average/weak.

Title: Re: Faction - weak (relatively in military, research, average builder)
Post by: vonbach on January 01, 2016, 01:56:33 AM

They seem pretty good though I might put Drones in the Strong military category.

Title: Re: Faction - weak (relatively in military, research, average builder)
Post by: Mart on January 01, 2016, 10:26:15 AM

As for good builders, I put only Morganities and Drones, but I wonder, if University should be there too. Maybe Hive also.
However, University has just good research, so this is in large part due to it. Maybe the area "Builder" here should be rather called "Industrial"

Title: Re: Faction - weak (relatively in military, research, average builder)
Post by: Nexii on January 01, 2016, 09:27:10 PM

Well typically good builder factions can just outproduce the momentum factions.  Either by tech or volume.  Granted if you mod the game to make the momentum SEs more valuable then it balances out the factions more as well.

Title: Re: Faction - weak (relatively in military, research, average builder)
Post by: vonbach on January 04, 2016, 01:17:23 AM

A lot of the strength values really depends on play style. For instance the Believers actually make a fairly decent
builder faction if played right just because of the +support. Likewise the Morganites can have enough money to
flat out buy a military if left alone long enough.